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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released) — Page 6

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Hal 9000 said:

I'd like to recognize a particularly helpful source I used for my edits, especially Episode III. If you've not checked out his book, I recommend it highly. The audio version is especially good.

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/theturn.html

 That is a fascinating article.  Every time I think about Episode III, I just get bummed because of its missed potential.  It gets more things right than the other two prequels, but there's still many problems.

You'd think that he would have really made sure to nail Anakin's fall before doing any production at all.

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Wow, I'm not sure! I'll see about getting that straightened out. Thanks for the tip.

 I am unable to play the 1080p v3 version in VLC though the download verified ok (gets stuck on second 00:03)

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Has anyone else downloaded the 1080p v3 of LOE from .info? I can't imagine why you'd have such a weird problem. Does it display the initial text block or does the video remain black?

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It just displays the initial textblock. The 720p version works fine.

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Hey Hal

Grabbing your whole saga ATM to do a run through. I've avoided it until this far simply for one fact... I was like 12 when AOTC came out and as a result have a guilty pleasure love of lightsaber Yoda...

Reading through this thread, it appears the Vader "No!" could be your most controversial decision across your edits.

Out of curiousity, did you do anything to that audio to make it sound slightly less cheesey?

I was thinking maybe you could add some form of radio interference, as if his use of the force was affecting the mechanical systems that allow him to speak and breath.

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3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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I hope you enjoy watching them. Just so you know, both Yoda fights have been removed. I liked it as a 12 year old but now it seems silly. Hope that doesn't detract too much from it for you.

I tried to use the "Noooo" from the ROTJ BluRay, but there was too much music mixed in with it. Nothing I tried was less jarring than just leaving it alone. Its too bad, but the scene is essential given what else I've done. Q2 didn't have to reckon with it because he removed Vader altogether.

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I'm sure they'll be great - I'll get you a review once I've made it through the set.

Messing with Audacity and just the RotS No grabbed from from a youtube clip, I came up with this. Not sure how much music is in the actual center track of the blu, or if you'd be able to mess with it too much. To me, this sounds kinda like the last little piece of Anakin is being snuffed out ;)

http://picosong.com/2rch/

Edit: Here is a quick run through of the entire Suiting Up scene, with some minor adjustments.

http://picosong.com/success/813e929cfc7f1f7c4905e26661b6b45f/

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3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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Sounds like his vocoder got plugged into an amp. It's an interesting concept, having a proto-Vader voice that is still finding its way. I think it would work pretty well if Vader had more than one scene. As it is, it'd seem weird to me to bring in JEJ for a few lines that wouldn't sound much like him. Plus, hearing JEJ's Vader asking about Padme gave me chills on opening day. 

If the film had been otherwise, I'd have preferred a proto-Vader with a voice and look that showed a trajectory for the OT Vader, rather than to see Hayden dumped into a fully recognizable OT replica. (And I wonder whether his vocoder automatically enhances Anakin's annunciation. I don't picture the PT Anakin's voice underneath those line deliveries at all.) 

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Hey there,

Trying to burn this to a BD-R, using Mkvextract and tsMuxer.

For some reason, I'm running into problems, as the output ISO seems

to flash from the current screen, to the disclaimer at the beginning of

the film, often turning green in the process, as well as being mostly a

garbled up mess of squares

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I'm downloading this as we speak.  Totally stoked to finally watch this!

One question:  Was the music or sound during the duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan changed in any way?

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Are the 720p versions of the saga bluray compliant?

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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Jamould said:

Hey there,

Trying to burn this to a BD-R, using Mkvextract and tsMuxer.

For some reason, I'm running into problems, as the output ISO seems

to flash from the current screen, to the disclaimer at the beginning of

the film, often turning green in the process, as well as being mostly a

garbled up mess of squares

 Who are you and what have you done with negative1?

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Jamould said:

Hey there,

Trying to burn this to a BD-R, using Mkvextract and tsMuxer.

For some reason, I'm running into problems, as the output ISO seems

to flash from the current screen, to the disclaimer at the beginning of

the film, often turning green in the process, as well as being mostly a

garbled up mess of squares

 Yes, this is a known problem.  There is an option in tsmuxer (it's one of the obvious boxes in tsmuxerGUI, but I don't have it in front of me, though I've mentioned it in one of these three threads) that sort of fixes this. I say sort of, because the problem was gone on the blu-ray players I tried, except for PS4 (PS3 was fine).

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Cheers. The "Do not change SEI/VUI data" option

Worked like a charm

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Well, that's certainly good to know. Thanks for reporting back about it. Am I correct in understanding that selecting that setting fixed the issue of bizarre results when authoring to a BR disc?

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Hey Hal, with. kk650s v2 pt hitting the web, any plans to swap it As your source and release a v4?

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1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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I was contemplating it for Ep2. (Ep1 I added grain like he did for his, and Ep3 never looked wrong to me.) However, the BluRay (with tweaked color settings) still looks better to my (highly subjective) eyes than either kk650's or schorman's Ep2. I understand that DVNR has evidently been applied for the BluRay release of this very early digital movie, but I'm not really convinced the HDTV streams we have actually look better. The BR is a higher quality (size) source in theory to begin from, too. 

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I watched this edit last week, and quite enjoyed it. Especially technically, this was one of the better edits I've seen. It flows smoothly, and the cuts you made are pretty much invisible.

The restructuring of the plot was interesting, and while I get why you included the Birth of the Rebellion scenes, they don't really add that much. This is not because of your edit, but because of the content of the scenes. The storyline ends with Padme presenting a petition, which gets shot down immediately by Palpatine. The storyline just fizzles out. I've always felt this thread needed another scene after Palpatine declares himself Emperor, where Bail, Padme and Mon Mothma realize their efforts to solve things politically have been for nothing, and decide to continue their rebellion in secret.

I'm curious as to why you moved the scene of Anakin's nightmare to a later point in the movie. You've cut this particular storyline down so it's no longer his main motivation, but hints of it still survive throughout your edit. In this edit, I'm not really sure why Anakin turned. In the original version of the film, Anakin's motivation is clear: gain power to save Padme, and he feels this quest is being frustrated by the Jedi, which is what Palpatine feeds on. The title of your edit is very well chosen for what you're trying to do, but I just don't think the material is there.

Anyway, just my two cents. I enjoyed this edit very much, especially because it made me look at the existing material in a different way. You didn't just chip away at the edges, but try to tell a whole different story. I will seek out your previous edits as well!

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Thanks for the feedback. You have a good point about the 'seeds of rebellion' deleted scenes. One result of my editing goals is that the film is shorter than I would prefer, which including these scenes alleviates. They give Padme some things to do, rather than stand around and fret over Anakin. I also think the tweaked ending in which Padme lives on Alderaan dovetails with the reinstated scenes where she and Bail collaborate on their dissent.

Ever since I did my very limited and highly conservative first set of Star Wars edits, I thought the lead-in novel titles for each film would make good alternative titles. This one is appropriate to the story changes, as you say. Because none of Anakin's other motivations are really driven home sufficiently, I hope I kept enough of the emotional throughline of saving Padme to tie everything together. It would not be feasible to totally remove it through fan editing, though I'm not a big fan of it, so enough of it's foundation must remain to convincingly pull off the edit as a polished film.

My reason for moving Anakin's (now sole) nightmare to later is so that the audience can first be introduced for his political motivations first. Only after the pieces are set in place do we get the emotional undercurrent of his fear about Padme. Also, re-ordering them allows me to imply that Palpatine influenced this, which is important because it 'closes the loop' of the premonition question. What I mean by that is that, were this not the case, Padme's survival would seem like a dramatic cheat; If Anakin tries to prevent her apparently prophesied death, naturally he should inadvertently cause it in the attempt. Because she survives, laying the premonition(s) at the feet of Palpatine solves this dramatic wrinkle.

On an unrelated note, I've been preparing things this week for Emanswfan's sources' eventual release. I'd love to do a v4 using his work, and have something worthy of being shown theatrically. Going back over the edits I've made, trying to assess whether they would work well if a theater full of people (who were willing to see a fan edit) were watching. The obvious detriment is the use of 480p deleted scenes, though Emanswfan's sources ought to smooth out the difference better than any other methods. Aside from that, I really want to make it as smooth and unobtrusive as possible. I put in a few odd lines of dialogue that had been cut, if their removal was conspicuous. 

There are three things for Episode III that I'm planning on changing slightly for an eventual v4. The first is the death of Dooku. I like the idea of characterizing Anakin as being affected by the Clone Wars by having him kill Dooku without external provocation. But, it happens rather quickly, and I wonder if it would be more appropriate to merely remove Anakin's hesitation but still include Palpatine's goading. I'd be interested to hear others' take on this; I have not heard any complaints about the Dooku change, and many other edits have done it as well. 

I'd like to trim Windu's dialogue as he and Anakin discuss arresting Palpatine. I'd like to remove his line about regaining his trust. It would go like this:
A: I must go, Master.

W: No. [REDACTED] Wait in the Council chambers until I return.

Windu comes across stubborn and more abrasive this way.

The other thing is to attempt to reinstate Anakin's line, "I will do whatever you ask," as Palpatine has him kneel. This may not be technically possible, and for all I know I may have tried to do just this in the first place. If it's possible, I think it'd be helpful to allow Anakin some transition between, "What have I done?" to, "Yeah, let's be evil." It would demonstrate resignation to his loyalty to Palpatine at the cost of all else, which in turn requires him to obey his orders. It's a subtle step removed from immediately joining the dark side.

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There are three things for Episode III that I'm planning on changing slightly for an eventual v4. The first is the death of Dooku. I like the idea of characterizing Anakin as being affected by the Clone Wars by having him kill Dooku without external provocation. But, it happens rather quickly, and I wonder if it would be more appropriate to merely remove Anakin's hesitation but still include Palpatine's goading. I'd be interested to hear others' take on this; I have not heard any complaints about the Dooku change, and many other edits have done it as well. 

I'd like to trim Windu's dialogue as he and Anakin discuss arresting Palpatine. I'd like to remove his line about regaining his trust. It would go like this:
A: I must go, Master.

W: No. [REDACTED] Wait in the Council chambers until I return.

Windu comes across stubborn and more abrasive this way.

 I think that's a great idea for the Dooku scene. I've actually been a bit skeptical of the way most people edit that scene, but it seems to be a universally accepted/expected change. Would like to see how it flows with your new suggestion.

And I think the Windu idea is good for Anakin's character. The more distrusting and stubborn the jedi are, the closer it comes to making sense that Anakin turns his back on them. Windu's lines, as they are, seem perfectly reasonable, making Anakin just an impatient little twerp being put in 'time out'. It also fits Windu's no-more-bullshit attitude when he confronts Palpatine.

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I had the chance to sit down and try most of these things out this morning. 

The Mace Windu dialogue thing sounds good on paper, though removing it leaves a pretty noticeable continuity error. Sadly, this doesn't look good enough in practice to actually do. 

Dooku's death... I'm indecisive about it. I went ahead and edited it the way it was, without Palpatine ordering Anakin to kill him, but made it last as long as possible. When I watched my own edit of Ep3 with friends, I thought the moment went by awfully quickly. 
When Anakin kills Dooku on his own, it characterizes him. He's been affected by the Clone Wars. He has become powerful enough to overcome Dooku, and ruthless enough to follow through on it, only reflecting on it afterwards. 

Keeping the events as they are in ROTS, it characterizes Palpatine instead, making Anakin less strong of a character. At least at this point, I feel better erring on the side of removing Palpatine's goading. 

EDIT: Plus, it makes the act of killing Dooku the result of anger and tapping into the dark side, rather than obeying the Chancellor after he'd calmed down. 

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Hal 9000 said:

The other thing is to attempt to reinstate Anakin's line, "I will do whatever you ask," as Palpatine has him kneel. This may not be technically possible, and for all I know I may have tried to do just this in the first place. If it's possible, I think it'd be helpful to allow Anakin some transition between, "What have I done?" to, "Yeah, let's be evil." It would demonstrate resignation to his loyalty to Palpatine at the cost of all else, which in turn requires him to obey his orders. It's a subtle step removed from immediately joining the dark side.

 

Hi Hal 9000,

First off let me say that I absolutely love your edits. They have become my official prequel trilogy.

If I may make a suggestion for the scene you reference in the above quote... I think perhaps less is more, here. Have you ever considered trimming down Anakin's dialogue even more? I believe he says so much with his expressions alone in this scene. I think the scene is actually harmed a bit by Anakin's forced dialogue. I have always wondered how it would look if Anakin was mostly silent during this scene. Bowing down, clearly conflicted, but submitting with his body language. Then at the end, a simple "Yes, my Master"... I would love to hear your thoughts.

Edit: you know what, I watched the scene again, and it actually contained less dialogue than I remember. I guess I just hated the line "I pledge myself to your teachings"... it just seemed so forced. But it seems like taking it out would ruin the flow of the scene. So you can probably disregard what I said here.

However, to answer your question, I think you should leave it as is. I think adding more dialogue would weaken the impact. "I will do whatever you ask" is unecessary dialogue if you ask me. I think it is already obvious to the viewer that Anakin will do whatever Sidious wants at that point.

Also, a total sidenote here: Would you ever consider releasing a version that re-instates the original titles of the films? I think you have very cool titles in your edits, but it bugs the hell out of my OCD.. Especially when I am trying to forget that I am watching a fan edit and pretend this is the real story. Hope you understand my request comes from a place of respect... I think your edits are FAR superior to the original films and for that reason I would like to convince my brain that they ARE the real thing. I understand if it is not worth the effort to re-encode and all that jazz.

Thanks again for the great viewing experience!

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Thanks for the thoughts regarding the 'turn' scene. I'd still prefer for the line, "I will do whatever you ask," to be put back for the reasons I described. However, it's not really possible without some FX work that would not be worth doing. So, it'll have to remain as is. It just seems a little abrupt is all, but at least he isn't just saying he'll destroy the world to save one person. 

I hope I don't sound facetious, but reinstating the original crawls would be a pretty easy task if you wanted to try it. I changed the names, as has become orthodox, to distinguish these edits from their source material. Anyone watching is properly informed that they are in for something different from Revenge of the Sith. Not that OCD, literal or figurative, can be overcome with logic, but it's an alternate version and carries a distinct title. I believe Jackpumpkinheadd has or was going to replace the opening crawls with the originals for his own preference. 

Perhaps I can do something when Emanswfan releases his regraded prequels for me to use as a source, but I'm not going to promise anything. I certainly wouldn't advertise or release it, either way.

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Thought I'd just chime in. I finally got a chance to watch this edit, and I must say it's absolutely fantastic! Over the years, I've seen maybe 7 or 8 edits of ROTS, and this is no doubt the best one released. 

Specifically, I'm glad that the Yoda/Palpatine fight is wisely axed and also that a certain amount of humor (inherently Star Wars) is kept in. 

The quality of the 1080p MKV rivals the Blu-Ray; it's great to see a fan edit encoded in such high quality.