Info: Back to the Future - without DNR & EE — Page 31

Author: ilovewaterslides
Time: 8-Jul-2015 3:10 PM (Edited)
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@TServo2049: Exactly, they come from an old 2K master.

@zee944: Oh, sorry. I first thought you were sarcastic or arrogant like many people on the internet. I clearly misunderstood and I really do apologies if my tone was a bit harsh.

Anyway, I don't really know if Universal did a new transfer, I just strongly guess because DNR and EE were their cheap option to make the trilogy "nice and shiny" so I don't see the point of rescanning any print at the same resolution to get the exact same render with the same dusts since it costs them a lot of money to do it.

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Author: TServo2049
Time: 8-Jul-2015 3:44 PM (Edited)
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A twist: BTTF II had to have been at least partially retransferred for BD, because the end teaser for BTTF III says "COMING SUMMER 1990". Unlike the ending of BTTF I, the 2002 DVD transfer of II used the home video ending, where there wasn't a date under the BTTF III title. (Anybody have even a down convert of one of the HDTV versions, and can check if "Summer 1990" is on there?)

Also, if the first wasn't retransferred, how were the wheels/etc. correctly yellow? Or would the color correction gaffe not have been on the 2K source? In the same shot, the road stripes in the distance were also "pinked", and they're correctly yellow in the BD.

Just food for thought...

Author: zee944
Time: 8-Jul-2015 3:46 PM
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No worries.

Of course your logic makes sense, and it could be the same master indeed. But I'd absolutely believe if an insider would tell us that the DVD master was too low quality and they've done a higher resolution scan from the same print for the Blu-ray. I simply couldn't find that out just by looking at the releases. I can only see they had a common source at one point in time (hence the similar dirts), but that's it.

But after all, it's not even important. It doesn't help us.

Author: Harmy
Time: 8-Jul-2015 5:15 PM (Edited)
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To me it seems like someone was given the 2002 transfer and tasked with making it look "better" for BD but given very little time and budget to do it, so they just ran it through an automated cleanup, which got rid of the excessive grain of the 2002 transfer and some of the dirt but it of course made the transfer look even fuzzier, so they added edge enhancement on top and then just did an aspect ratio correction and a few corrections to the colors, where fans pointed out errors on DVD (kind of like Luke's green saber was fixed for the SW BD).

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Author: ilovewaterslides
Time: 8-Jul-2015 5:46 PM
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I think you got the whole story right, Harmy.

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Author: jimbotron235
Time: 8-Jul-2015 6:36 PM
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With this being a marquee year for BTTF, it seems like we're missing the one opportunity for Universal to do a remaster. If they won't do it for 2015, then when will they? 4K really has to take off for it to happen now.

Author: crampedmisfit1990
Time: 8-Jul-2015 8:29 PM (Edited)
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jimbotron235 said:

With this being a marquee year for BTTF, it seems like we're missing the one opportunity for Universal to do a remaster. If they won't do it for 2015, then when will they? 4K really has to take off for it to happen now.

Not only that, but Universal should remaster the BTTF trilogy in 4k (do it right) to be a launch boxset for the new 4k format too, when the discs start releasing later this year. That would make a ton of people come over to the new format alone.

Author: jimbotron235
Time: 8-Jul-2015 10:08 PM
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Does anyone know where I could acquire the LD PCM mixes for 2 and 3? The BD mix for 2 still has some glitches with the musical score (not as bad as the DVD).

Author: jedimasterobiwan
Time: 9-Jul-2015 3:06 PM
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DocBosch what happened did you change your mind?

Author: towne32
Time: 9-Jul-2015 3:13 PM
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jedimasterobiwan said:

DocBosch what happened did you change your mind?

Please be patient.

Author: jedimasterobiwan
Time: 16-Jul-2015 4:41 PM
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will they ever remaster the series without the dnr and edge enhacement or is there no chance?

Author: Avatar_Emil
Time: 16-Jul-2015 4:57 PM
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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=17187

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Author: jedimasterobiwan
Time: 16-Jul-2015 5:01 PM
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i know about that i meant the films with no dnr and no edge enhancement and a 4k remaster. i don't mean ultra hd blu ray i meant like the sony 4k remastered releases.

Author: Danfun128
Time: 16-Jul-2015 11:45 PM
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jedimasterobiwan said:

i don't mean ultra hd blu ray i meant like the sony 4k remastered releases.

Wait. What? I don't understand that sentence. What are "Sony 4k remastered releases", and how are they different from 4k blu-ray?

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Author: ilovewaterslides
Time: 17-Jul-2015 7:45 AM
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"Remastered In 4K" is a collection of movies made by Sony. Their goal is to remaster films using new 4K transfers then make regular Blu-rays optimized for 4K TVs. While they generally look great and superior to their 2K counterpart, there is often not so much of a difference when the original release is good enough.

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Author: Danfun128
Time: 17-Jul-2015 11:32 AM
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I still don't understand why 4k blu-ray is considered inferior by jedimasterobiwan.

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Author: ilovewaterslides
Time: 17-Jul-2015 1:51 PM
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You really didn't get it then.

He never said it was inferior, he only said that he wanted a simple regular Blu-ray made of a new 4K master because 4K BDs are not available yet.

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Author: jedimasterobiwan
Time: 17-Jul-2015 5:19 PM (Edited)
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ilovewaterslides said:

You really didn't get it then.

He never said it was inferior, he only said that he wanted a simple regular Blu-ray made of a new 4K master because 4K BDs are not available yet.

i meant the films with no dnr and no edge enhancement on top of 4k mastered not just 4k mastered.

Author: ilovewaterslides
Time: 17-Jul-2015 5:39 PM
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I don't see the point of using DNR and EE with a pristine new 4K transfer so don't worry about that.

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Author: jedimasterobiwan
Time: 17-Jul-2015 10:43 PM
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ilovewaterslides said:

I don't see the point of using DNR and EE with a pristine new 4K transfer so don't worry about that.

what do you mean?

Author: jimbotron235
Time: 17-Jul-2015 10:53 PM
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jedimasterobiwan said:

ilovewaterslides said:

I don't see the point of using DNR and EE with a pristine new 4K transfer so don't worry about that.

what do you mean?

Those don't go together. DNR and EE are typically applied to outdated masters in lieu of a remaster. For example, Predator, BTTF, Star Trek films. In the case of a brand new 4K remaster, DNR and EE would be counterproductive (and dumb).

Author: TheHutt
Time: 18-Jul-2015 12:05 PM (Edited)
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TServo2049 said:

A twist: BTTF II had to have been at least partially retransferred for BD, because the end teaser for BTTF III says "COMING SUMMER 1990". Unlike the ending of BTTF I, the 2002 DVD transfer of II used the home video ending, where there wasn't a date under the BTTF III title. (Anybody have even a down convert of one of the HDTV versions, and can check if "Summer 1990" is on there?)

Also, if the first wasn't retransferred, how were the wheels/etc. correctly yellow? Or would the color correction gaffe not have been on the 2K source? In the same shot, the road stripes in the distance were also "pinked", and they're correctly yellow in the BD.

Just food for thought...

Not only that. In the bonus material the makers mention that they actually replaced the footage from BTTFI reused in BTTFII with scans from original negative of BTTFI to prevent generation quality loss.

Actually, when I have been watching BTTF 1-3 on 35mm five years ago, I noticed that BTTFI footage in BTTFII was clearly of a worse quality than the rest.

PS: where can I find this DCP that is floating around?

Author: jedimasterobiwan
Time: 18-Jul-2015 12:20 PM
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jimbotron235 said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

ilovewaterslides said:

I don't see the point of using DNR and EE with a pristine new 4K transfer so don't worry about that.

what do you mean?

Those don't go together. DNR and EE are typically applied to outdated masters in lieu of a remaster. For example, Predator, BTTF, Star Trek films. In the case of a brand new 4K remaster, DNR and EE would be counterproductive (and dumb).

If that's the case when do think that would come out?

Author: towne32
Time: 18-Jul-2015 12:21 PM
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TheHutt said:

PS: where can I find this DCP that is floating around?

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Author: towne32
Time: 18-Jul-2015 12:21 PM
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jedimasterobiwan said:

If that's the case when do think that would come out?

October 2015 would be a smart move, but I haven't heard anything about this.