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jedimasterobiwan said:

mallrats 35mm film print restoration needed because blu ray has dnr and edge enhancement.

chasing amy 35mm or 16mm i don't know because it said the print released in theaters was the 35mm blow up. print needed because of blu ray has dnr don't know if it had edge enhancement done.

jay and silent bob strike back 35mm print restoration needed because the blu ray looks like a dvd upscale.

 Any was super 16, it would be grainy as hell but not unrefined 

 so which print of chasing amy even exists 16mm or 35mm blow up?

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poita said:

Usually the 35mm blowup from a 16mm neg will still have more detail than a 16mm print made from the same neg, so the 35 would probably give better results.

 Interesting, didn't know that. Kind of like 70mm blow-ups from 35s?

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Yes.

Basically the grain is effectively smaller when you print to 35mm rather than 16mm as the image size is larger. So you will still have the 16mm neg grain either way, but the print grain will look less on the 35mm vs the 16mm print from the same 16mm neg.

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jedimasterobiwan said:

dvdmike said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

mallrats 35mm film print restoration needed because blu ray has dnr and edge enhancement.

chasing amy 35mm or 16mm i don't know because it said the print released in theaters was the 35mm blow up. print needed because of blu ray has dnr don't know if it had edge enhancement done.

jay and silent bob strike back 35mm print restoration needed because the blu ray looks like a dvd upscale.

 Any was super 16, it would be grainy as hell but not unrefined 

 so which print of chasing amy even exists 16mm or 35mm blow up doll?

 Yuck.

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What about grain on analog video tape compared to film grain? Would you say that video tape is less grainy?

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TV's Frink said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

dvdmike said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

mallrats 35mm film print restoration needed because blu ray has dnr and edge enhancement.

chasing amy 35mm or 16mm i don't know because it said the print released in theaters was the 35mm blow up. print needed because of blu ray has dnr don't know if it had edge enhancement done.

jay and silent bob strike back 35mm print restoration needed because the blu ray looks like a dvd upscale.

 Any was super 16, it would be grainy as hell but not unrefined 

 so which print of chasing amy even exists 16mm or 35mm blow up doll?

 Yuck.

 i didn't say that now grow up dude

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ww12345 said:

...it's not that hard once you have one or two under your belt. :)

 Well, sure, but not everyone can afford 35mm capture equipment :)

jedimasterobiwan said:

mallrats

chasing amy

jay and silent bob strike back

Have you tried checking for HDTV captures?

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jedimasterobiwan said:

mallrats 35mm film print restoration needed because blu ray has dnr and edge enhancement.

chasing amy 35mm or 16mm i don't know because it said the print released in theaters was the 35mm blow up. print needed because of blu ray has dnr don't know if it had edge enhancement done.

jay and silent bob strike back 35mm print restoration needed because the blu ray looks like a dvd upscale.

You need to do some basic research - modern studio films shot on 16mm / super 16, whether for budgetary or aesthetic reasons, are still destined for 35mm release prints. Looking for 'proper'* 16mm prints of these films is a fairly futile exercise, indeed I doubt they even exist (except, perhaps, in Kevin Smith's garage).

*It occurs to me that there might have been a 16mm aftermarket for some titles - Derann, club or school screenings etc. But those would still have taken the print route of the 35mm, i.e. ON > IP > 35mm IN > 16mm reduction print. Do correct me on this point if I've missed a step, folks.

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the only reason i'm asking is because out of all his view askewniverse films those are the ones with the worse blu rays image wise.

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Just get the Canadian chasing any disc 

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dvdmike said:

Just get the Canadian chasing any disc 

 it has a better transfer?

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poita said:

If anyone is looking for 35mm prints to use for restorations, a massive set of prints is going up for sale, details are on FanRes.

Where exactly is the list of 35mm titles on FanRes?  All I see are individual threads in the Preservation area with little to no mention of any "massive set of prints" becoming available.  Can you please be more specific?  Also, where do we find the thread (if there is a thread) to make requests for 35mm prints we are looking for?  Please get back to me at your earliest convenience.  Thank You!

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Probably best to ask on Fanres itself.

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Even if I must admit it's a nice little movie, I don't think anyone here will spend some money to get it... (--_)

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Is the Blu Ray messed up or something?

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Even if I must admit it's a nice little movie, I don't think anyone here will spend some money to get it... (--_)

 Yes, I know, sadly! But it has a cult following anyway.

SilverWook said:

Is the Blu Ray messed up or something?

 The Bluray is ok, but it still does not have the vibrant rich colour palette of the 35mm version. The Bluray colour is slightly bit desaturated and colder. 

By the way, how much money would it take to make a 1080p scan of such a print, does anyone know? It has five reels.

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I think it's way better to scan it in 4K (at least) and then downscale it to 1080p, than scan it directly in 1080p... maybe the cost is around $500, but someone with direct experiences could be more precise... so, at the end, buying the film, ship it to the lab, scan it, and ship it back to the buyer will be around $1000 - not that cheap...

OR... it's still possible to regrade the BD using the (few) 35mm stills on the auction as color reference; it will be not the best way to do it, and results will be way worst than using the whole film scan, but at least it will be free! (^^,)

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As poita has said, camera shots off a film print can be inaccurate (see: the over saturated Jurassic Park images from the 35mm eBay auction a couple years back), but this would still be cool. I saw The Phantom in theaters, it gets a bad rap these days but I had fun. And from the screenshots, it looks like they were trying to light, shoot and time this movie like the Indiana Jones movies. It reminds me of the few 35mm images I've seen of the original Indy trilogy. (Look at screenshot #4...)

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Yes a regrade of The phantom BD based on the 35mm stills would be the best option for now.

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An interesting specimen ^

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Papai2013 said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Even if I must admit it's a nice little movie, I don't think anyone here will spend some money to get it... (--_)

 Yes, I know, sadly! But it has a cult following anyway.

SilverWook said:

Is the Blu Ray messed up or something?

 The Bluray is ok, but it still does not have the vibrant rich colour palette of the 35mm version. The Bluray colour is slightly bit desaturated and colder. 

By the way, how much money would it take to make a 1080p scan of such a print, does anyone know? It has five reels.

  A full aperture 4K scan, with damage matte, of a 6 reel feature is around USD20,000 (Twenty thousand dollars) at commercial rates, that doesn't include the HDDs to store it on, which at full resolution is around 21TB, so another USD500 or so for storage.

There are underground places that will do a UHD scan (3840 x 2160 or 4000 x 2160) with no damage matte, with a bayer sensor and much less dynamic range, unstabilised at 12bit RAW compressed for $500-$3000 depending on a lot of factors. The storage on that is around 1-2TB per 6 reels.

Then of course you have to correct it back to the print, stabilise the footage, fix any damage, replace any missing frames from another source,  do some grain reduction if you want it to fit on a Bluray without looking terrible (grain doesn't compress happily), sync the audio etc. which takes a bit of time and effort.

You then can get a really nice result that matches the theatrical presentation as closely as possible.

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That Blood Circus print has been on eBay a couple times over the years, it has never sold. The original auction in 2011 had a starting price of $21 million, and a Buy It Now price of $750 million. No, really, I'm serious.

That makes $3500 look like an absolute steal, for supposedly the only existing print of this film in the world. Someday, someone has to buy that damn print.

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TServo2049 said:

 a Buy It Now price of $750 million. No, really, I'm serious.

 Bahahahahaha.