Info & Discussion: Fullscreen Laserdisc / DVD Preservations — Page 3

I uploaded a Pan & Scan DVD RIP of Timecop on Kick Ass Torrents, here is the link * * * REDACTED * * *
I ripped it from the 1998 DVD release, & it has 5.1 OGG Vorbis English Audio (Most Likely the Original Theatrical Sound Mix, the 2007-2008 remaster on DVD & HD-DVD most likely is a near field mix that was sweetened up.) & 2.0 French Audio.

This is probably the same transfer used for the 1995 Full Screen Laserdisc version.

I ripped this the other day to test my set up

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/19119/1130-70/Star-Wars:-A-New-Hope

Not sure if I am late to the party, or if anyone wants 

As many know, I really like open-matte, full-frame, full-sceen transfers.

What I've never considered is, are there widescreen films that can *seem* to be presented better in pan-and-scan format? Not just 1 scene, but the whole film.

Anyone know of any films that might fit into this category?

Ghost Dad, Both Problem Child Movies, The Matrix Trilogy, Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines, & so many others look better in full screen, because you get the entire image of the camera negative. The Matrix movies in Full Screen would look phenomenal on an IMAX screen. it would fill the whole entire screen with no black bars!!!

I also uploaded the Matrix Reloaded, & The Matrix Revolutions in an Open Matte Full Frame Version on Kickass torrents, here are the links * * * Links Removed ***

I don't anticipate IMAX TVs coming out soon, because I don't think the public would go for going back to a more square box.

As a result, since I have a HDTV, to maximize picture viewing and resolution, I prefer a 1080p 16:9 versions over a 480p 4:3 versions.

What are your opinions?

Well, 4:3 HD projectors do exist, & a plus to having a 4:3 projector is you can always fit an anamorphic lens on the projector to change the aspect ratio to flat 1:85:1, and any CinemaScope ratio, & still be able to watch native 4:3 content ( such as TV shows shot in the 4:3 Aspect Ratio from the 50's to the late 90's (until producers started filming in the 16:9 aspect ratio) without having black bars at the side of the image.

I wish that a manufacturer still made 4:3 HDTV's ( they were made in the late 90's to about 2004-05)

dwalkerdon23 said:

Well, 4:3 HD projectors do exist, & a plus to having a 4:3 projector is you can always fit an anamorphic lens on the projector to change the aspect ratio to flat 1:85:1, and any CinemaScope ratio, & still be able to watch native 4:3 content ( such as TV shows shot in the 4:3 Aspect Ratio from the 50's to the late 90's (until producers started filming in the 16:9 aspect ratio) without having black bars at the side of the image.

I wish that a manufacturer still made 4:3 HDTV's ( they were made in the late 90's to about 2004-05)

 I almost bought one, It was a Phillips Projection HDTV  4:3 around 2002. I had just replaced my 1989 Pioneer Projection TV with a Phillips projector back in 2001 then the next year I saw what looked to be the Identical set except it was HD, It was open box and I could of gotten it for $400. But I could not bring myself to buy a new TV when mine was working fine. There were many 4:3 HD Projection sets early on and there were some Hi Def CRTs too.  I still prefer CRTs to LCD and Plasma. Pictures were Brighter and sharper. But the some of the new 4K sets are now getting there.

suntech said:

dwalkerdon23 said:

Well, 4:3 HD projectors do exist, & a plus to having a 4:3 projector is you can always fit an anamorphic lens on the projector to change the aspect ratio to flat 1:85:1, and any CinemaScope ratio, & still be able to watch native 4:3 content ( such as TV shows shot in the 4:3 Aspect Ratio from the 50's to the late 90's (until producers started filming in the 16:9 aspect ratio) without having black bars at the side of the image.

I wish that a manufacturer still made 4:3 HDTV's ( they were made in the late 90's to about 2004-05)

 I almost bought one, It was a Phillips Projection HDTV  4:3 around 2002. I had just replaced my 1989 Pioneer Projection TV with a Phillips projector back in 2001 then the next year I saw what looked to be the Identical set except it was HD, It was open box and I could of gotten it for $400. But I could not bring myself to buy a new TV when mine was working fine. There were many 4:3 HD Projection sets early on and there were some Hi Def CRTs too.  I still prefer CRTs to LCD and Plasma. Pictures were Brighter and sharper. But the some of the new 4K sets are now getting there.

yeah, the new 4k sets look really good, the Samsung SUHD nano crystal tv's & the LG OLED tv's are ones I have my eyes on.

If LG or Samsung could make a 4:3 OLED or Nano-crystal LED, I believe that it would sell fairly well (mostly to Graphics & Imaging Industry, & Post Production houses)

Samsung makes Cinemascope TV's (Ultrawide Series), so I think that they could make a 4:3 set with no problem

I think I'll skip the 4K and Jump to the 110 inch  8K UltraWide 3D  TV that doesn't need 3D glasses.     "I must be dreaming" ...  James Bond in  Goldfinger

I uploaded the Open Matte Full Screen Version of Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines  on * * * here is the link * * * REDACTED * * *
It has 5.1 English & French Vorbis Audio tracks in including 2 commentary tracks

I have Jurassic Park trilogy, The Mask (1994), The Da Vinci Code, The Dark Knight (open matte for the IMAX scenes, pan & scan for the rest) and Apollo 13 in Full Screen DVD. Apart from these I have some more Full Screen ones through download, like Terminator 3 (The HDTV Rus version has more horizontal info than the FS dvd), Terminator 2 (from Myspleen), The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons on 16:9 open-matte without sound and of course Titanic. Quite a few Full Screen versions are often available for download.
Now I don't really like cropped pan& scan movies, be they in whatever ratio. I like the ones that are mostly open-matte (usually with a bit of horizontal loss).
The 16:9 version of Angels & Demons is selectively open-matte and pan-scan, and the values are not exactly absolute either. Titanic is also selectively open-matte and pan-scan on the 3D version. The World's Fastest Indian (2005) was released open-matte 1.78:1 from its original 2.35:1 framing on Bluray (shot on Super 35). Even Jurassic World was shot on 4 perf Full Aperture 35mm (1.33:1), Vistavision (1.50:1), Red (1.90:1), but finally cropped to 2.00:1. Jurassic World would've looked good on a larger ratio like 1.66:1 on a 1.44:1 IMAX screen. Plus, apart from artistic reasons, the 2.00:1 ratio did not make sense projection wise as the movie was shown in most scope screens window-boxed (black bars on all four sides). 1.85:1 would have at least utilised the full height of all screens (except 1.44:1 and 1.66:1). Theatrically it was supposed to look wider than 1.85:1 and ended looking smaller than that ratio.

The Full Screen versions of the Jurassic Park trilogy look really good, framing wise, whereas the widescreen version feels cropped; tight. Of course the VFX scenes are pan & scan in the 4:3 version because they were hard matted in the source. However, the hard matted frame was still taller than 1.78:1, maybe 1.75:1, and the 4:3 P&S of those scenes do not utilise the full vertical height of the frame which they should have to compensate for the horizontal loss. 

There's a reason the widescreen version of Jurassic Park feels too tight: It IS too tight. Every widescreen transfer of JP since DVD (or possibly even the Japanese MUSE Hi-Vision LD) has been zoomed in, for no apparent reason. Even the 3D theatrical DCP was overcropped. (And I saw an IMAX 2D 15/70 print of the 3D re-release version at a science museum screening - it was also overcropped.)

The original letterbox LD had much more open framing, even though it was the same 1.85:1 AR as the later releases. The 35mm preservation also has more open framing.

I can't figure out why the overcropping has persisted for so long. (I am even starting to doubt whether the 3D version came from a new scan...)

TServo2049 said:

There's a reason the widescreen version of Jurassic Park feels too tight: It IS too tight. Every widescreen transfer of JP since DVD (or possibly even the Japanese MUSE Hi-Vision LD) has been zoomed in, for no apparent reason. Even the 3D theatrical DCP was overcropped. (And I saw an IMAX 2D 15/70 print of the 3D re-release version at a science museum screening - it was also overcropped.)

The original letterbox LD had much more open framing, even though it was the same 1.85:1 AR as the later releases. The 35mm preservation also has more open framing.

I can't figure out why the overcropping has persisted for so long. (I am even starting to doubt whether the 3D version came from a new scan...)

  I know that. But the 3D version is from a new 4K scan. If you look closely, despite the DNR, there are fine details on the skin, clothes, that you've never seen on any home video version before. But like you, I've no idea why Jurassic Park is getting overcropped, especially when the original widescreen framing (seen in the laserdisc, 35mm prints) is about perfect. The cropped 1.85:1 2013 dcp looks butchered in some shots. And the colour timing though now closer to the 35mm prints, is much warmer than the 35mm version. The Brachiosaur head was almost cropped when it was grabbing the leaf from the tree, the T-Rex snout was cropped when it roars in the VC lobby. And overall, it feels too tight to qualify as a good framing. In fact I'd argue that the open-matte 4:3 version feels very comfortable to look at and neither feels cropped or too loose.