Info Wanted: 'LOTR - FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING': Green tint removed? — Page 6

No one knows about the iTunes versions?

If the iTunes versions are good, there might not be a need to do a preservation.

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

Not that i'm aware of. What de-greened recut of the extended edition are you planning to use as your source, the high quality hdtv transport stream that was floating around a few years back or something else?

Danfun128 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

There are a couple scenes in the theatrical that aren't in the extended. Gimli's "These are the elves. We should go back." comes to mind.

That is a good point. Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton is also quite different between the two cuts.

kk650 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

Not that i'm aware of. What de-greened recut of the extended edition are you planning to use as your source, the high quality hdtv transport stream that was floating around a few years back or something else?

I'd refer to your regraded cut first, otherwise I'd try de-greening a Blu-ray rip myself.

For any shots from the theatrical cut not found in the extended cut (such as the shifted title drop), I would source the original Blu-ray or an HDTV rip (which I don't currently have.)

kk650 said:

Danfun128 said:

jimbotron235 said:

Since the theatrical cut Blu-ray is a DNR mess, does anyone know if there exists a restoration of the theatrical cut using a de-greened recut of the extended version?  If not, that's something I'd like to tackle.

There are a couple scenes in the theatrical that aren't in the extended. Gimli's "These are the elves. We should go back." comes to mind.

That is a good point. Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton is also quite different between the two cuts.

Hm, I wonder just how much they are different.  I haven't spent much time doing a shot-for-shot comparison.  If I only have to settle for a minute or two of the DNRed footage, then I still consider it worth it.

Fellowship is the only movie of the three where I prefer the extended cut over the theatrical, but I want the theatrical cut for posterity, and the original master is too awful to enjoy.

kk650, do you know of a way I can play any of your encodes on a BD-ROM without re-encoding to account for the black bars not being encoded on your files? I assume you are just watching these on a PC? Would prefer not to re-encode your great work and risk lowering the quality. I typically max out the bitrate on any re-encodes, but still....

@jimbotron235: I have no problem with you using my regraded Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition release so long as you give me credit for the regrade and name my regraded release as your main source.

I have the hdtv transport stream that has much better image quality than the DNRed official blu-ray so if you need certain parts, let me know and I can provide those for you.

Alternate shots are used for Gandalf's entrance into Hobbiton in the theatrical cut, I imagine there are other alternate shots but none come to mind. You can find a detailed description of all the changes below:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=765

@Funcha: That is something I have been wondering about myself lately. I know from experience that encodes with the top and bottom bars cropped always look better in terms of image quality than 1920x1080 encodes of the same bitrate but I appreciate that a lot of you like creating playable blu-ray discs that need the encode to be 1920x1080 for you not to have to reencode. If I start releasing 1920x1080 mkv releases on tehparadox though, i'll have everybody on top of me asking why i'm sacrificing image quality by not cropping the bars like all the other mkv releases do.

It really is a dilemna. I'm just glad that with my regraded IMAX releases like Interstellar and Guardians of the Galaxy I don't have to worry about it because those have to be encoded in 1920x1080. I wish that sony, microsoft and other manufacturers of blu-ray drives would get their act together and allow mkvs to be played natively off their players, it'd make everything so much simpler.

As a general rule, i've found doubling the bitrate pretty much maintains the image quality, so if you create bd-50 1920x1080 reencodes of my 22gb cropped mkv regrades, they should look pretty much the same in terms of image quality and they would be playable straight off the drive. That would be one solution.

Another solution of course would be me also creating 1920x1080 encodes of releases i've already done but that would take a great deal of time with the amount of regrades i've completed and I wouldn't know which releases to start with. Perhaps if I set up some sort of poll listing all my releases, then everybody could vote on which releases they'd want me to create 1920x1080 encodes of first? This sound like a good idea to anybody?

I personally would be all for super high bitrate versions of Lord of the Rings, Mad Max II and Terminator 2. :) Thanks for all your work on these.

I don't really have the free time available to be fulfilling individual requests. The only way I could make this work is with some sort of poll setup where I can get a idea of what releases people are most interested in having 1920x1080 encodes of and start from the top, slowly working my way down. Anybody know if this site supports polls?

I've never seen a poll here so I imagined it didn't. Didn't Andrea mention a site dedicated to setting up polls? Something like that would do the trick, even better if it didn't require any form of registration to vote.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Well, on fanres there are polls since the beginning...

I know but it requires anybody wanting to vote to register. In terms of convenience, setting up a poll that doesn't require registering to a site would be preferable.

^…^ said:

Here you are some screenshot comparisons; I used .png images taken from caps-a-holic.com; top BD, middle ColourMatch’ed BD, bottom DVD (click for larger images):

…now you know why they call it BLU-ray… the snow scene reminds me someTHING… (^^,)

Are results perfect? No, of course. But a really good compromise, and a decisive improvement over the BD colors, do you agree?

OK, time to sleep now, 1 a.m. here. Good night!

Hi all,
I registered on this forum soon after I found the existence of a “despecialized” edition of Star Wars (thanks Harmy!) and I ended up writing my first post about Lord Of The Rings…

I recently bought the extended edition blu-ray trilogy, Italian version. Of course I noticed some tendency of FOTR picture towards a green tint, but after looking the images you posted, it seems to me that my copy is a lot less greenish, although I’ve made the comparison between BD still frames on my LCD TV and your pictures on my PC monitor.

Your 2nd picture of Gandalf seem incredibly greenish to me. The same frame on my TV looks almost like your “Colourmatch” frame; same thing for 1st picture (Hobbiville).
On your 3rd picture, the best match is with first (EE BD) picture (…and that tint looks better to me in respect to the EE DVD tint…).

For sure I have almost the same “blue snow” of your 4th picture (EE BD version), maybe a little less greenish. But some frames before, at the end of the previous chapter, snow on mountains looks almost white.

I also turned on the BD Player’s OSD (with full white text), to make a comparison of white tint. Seems that my release has a very little green tint in respect to your example pictures. Maybe they recently “fixed” the EE BDs trilogy?

jimbotron235 said:

I’d refer to your regraded cut first, otherwise I’d try de-greening a Blu-ray rip myself.

Beware, the crushed colors …
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/667478

OK, thank you CatBus. So maybe it’s better I’ll save my current TV calibration for every time I’ll have to watch FOTR…

To make a comparison, is there a way to make the inverse of what you said, e.g. to play some “test clip” on my BD player? (I suppose it is not as simple as to place one of your “greenish” pictures on an usb stick and show it on the TV using my BD player’s picture viewer, right?)

@Spaced Ranger: I can’t see any image from the post you linked. Are the picture links broken, or it’s only my browser in trouble?

Thank you

May I guess you’re browsing with Firefox? In FF-v.37 (the system I’m using), many pictures from ImageShack won’t come through; but they DO come through in Opera-v.12. Is it Firefox-gone-broken or the-politics-of-ImageShack? (Well, I don’t use ImageShack any more after they wiped away their previous database and most of OT’s pictures in the process in a re-organization about a year or so ago.)

In Firefox, my solution is to right-click on the “missing picture” area, select “view image”, hi-light the address-bar for the image (not showing at this point), and press the Enter-key (to force a hard refresh). The picture will come through if ImageShack still has it. I’ve already tested it and ImageShack still has them all. What a pain! : )

Thanks Spaced Ranger, your workaround works with both FireFox and Chrome!

Before I go and download kk650’s newest version, I have a question: does it have the really orangey, warm filter over the whole Council of Elrond sequence like in the DVDs? How comparable is the color timing between the two?

I don’t have an answer to your question, but I do wonder if the warm filter over the Council may not have been in the theatrical prints. I remember seeing screenshots of the bootleg DVD with the Engrish subtitles and it didn’t have as much of a tint as the official DVDs. (I think it probably came from a screener?)