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Star Wars GOUT in HD using super resolution algorithm (* unfinished project *) — Page 34

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Just curious, how is the motion smearing gonna be handled in this GOUT release, or does this source not have any of those issues?

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It won't be.

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NP. There's really nothing that can be done about it when working with a source that has DVNR. DrDre's script does improve the quality of the source, but it can't remove that. Someone with more technical knowledge than I could tell you if the DVNR is applied directly from the T/C machine or if it was added by a secondary process, but either way it's in the source. For some of the movie it doesn't create considerable problems, but in some scenes it creates considerable drawbacks. For a 1993 T/C it's not all bad, it probably wasn't cutting edge, but it was what it was. :)

Today we want better, of course. Even the 2004 DVD was made in a T/C and not a film scanner as I've mentioned elsewhere. DrDre's work, however, is very valuable. It's given me a way to improve my own upscale of the SD elements in The Phantom Menace.

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I guess considering how bad the transfer is to begin with, it's still pretty amazing how DrDre can make this DVNR source "pop" and bring out the detail, something that I'd never thought would be possible.

Thanks again for the detailed info RU.08

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The video sample sadly is posponed a few days, due to some problems with my computer. It's up and running again, so hopefully it will be finished by the end of the week. 

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Not that I know how bad the problems are, but I hope you have everything important backed up. Just in case that there could be future problems.

But I'm sure you do ;)

Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:

And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn’t make sense!

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!

Damn You!!!

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Tomorrow I expect to put up the 10 min video sample for SRV12. Yep, we're skipping SRV11. Here's a single screenshot comparison at 720p (because it is easier to see the entire frame):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131202

The video will be 1080p.

 Usually when I look at these screenshots the difference is so subtle that I often don't see it at all, but this one is truly night and day. Good work.

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Impressive stuff.

The anti aliasing is amazing, probably looks even better in motion!

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Yes it is good, one thing you have to be mindful of though is that the method (and in fact just about any really aggressive method like this) wants to bring everything in the frame into focus, and you can lose picture depth. For instance in this screenshot the door frames in the background have been brought into focus, as has some of the stormtrooper on the left of frame, and the stormtrooper on the right is also brought into focus. It is what it is. :)

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That might be the case in some instances, but I do not believe it's the case for the example you used ;-). Here's a comparison with the same frame for Harmy's DE:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131458

The door frame and stormtrooper on the right are clearly in focus, and also the stormtrooper on the left is more in focus than seen in the GOUT. 

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DrDre said:

That might be the case in some instances, but I do not believe it's the case for the example you used ;-). Here's a comparison with the same frame for Harmy's DE:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131458

The door frame and stormtrooper on the right are clearly in focus, and also the stormtrooper on the left is more in focus than seen in the GOUT. 

 But Harmy's is based on the Blu-ray, which probably had all sorts of sharpening applied to it... Here is the same frame from a 35mm print, I think the trooper on the right is a little out of focus:

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/image.axd?picture=/2015/06/35mm-Frame-8228.png

Which isn't to say that this is something you should try to fix, I think it looks great, just pointing out that the Blu-ray is not always the best reference ;)

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Very interesting! Great looking screenshot btw. What's the source?

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DrDre said:

Very interesting! Great looking screenshot btw. What's the source?

 It's from one of the prints in Team Negative 1's collection. Wish I had all of it!

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Thanks for the updated screenshots.  I am not sure about them.  I think they may be less detailed.  V11 was looking really great, so I am not sure what you did to change to V12 and if it made it worse or not.  In the screenshot that everyone is referencing, the storm trooper on the right's black and white mustache is now solid black and vader's arm has two square pieces joined into one rectangle.  I remember previously at least with vader's arm that they were separated.  Not sure if they were with V11.  I remember being thrilled with V11, but I don't feel that way as much with V12.  Maybe it is just me and how I am feeling this morning.

Williarob's points are very interesting!  Not sure how V11 looks with that screenshot, so would be cool to see.  I will look in previous pages for it...  I looked back and don't see it in V11. Here it is in V9 and V10. 

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/128248

and V12:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131458

If you look at V12 vs V9 for example, you can see more squares on Vader's forearm and the black and white on the Stormtrooper mustache.  Also, the focusing issue is fixed.  There is also less haloing in V9.  Would love to see V11 without dehaloing.

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DrDre said:

The difference between SRV10/SRV11 and SRV12 is that the antialiasing is far better for V12. 

Here is a comparison with SRV10 and SRV11,

SRV10 vs SRV12:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131509

SRV11 vs SRV12:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131510

The dehaloing was discussed a number of posts ago. The conclusion was that it destroyed too much detail. 

Great, thanks!  SRV11 still retains most of the detail in Vader's arm, retains a hair more of the the black and white mustache (no pun intended), retains more of the 3D pop and it has good antialiasing.  V11 is better than V12 in my opinion for this screenshot.

Is this V11 with or without dehaloing?  I was loving V11 without dehaloing.

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That may be true, but there are ~142000 more frames. ;-) I will post a few more comparisons. 

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Great, 142000 more screenshot comparisons on the way then... :-)

Just edited my post above: Is this V11 with or without dehaloing?  I was loving V11 without dehaloing.

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V11 is without dehaloing.