team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released) — Page 79

team_negative1 said:

Currently, we have a 35mm Projector, and a Digital video camera, capable of capturing at 4k, in 24fps realtime.

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What I was wondering: do you guys capture the print directly from the projector or do you capture the image projected onto something else, like say a matte screen or something?

Thanks,

Laszlo

team_negative1 said:

For those that have recently joined, or have not followed our advances.

We mentioned this in some other previous replies. Since the project has started, we have gone through several hardware improvements, and also acquired more prints.

Currently, we have a 35mm Projector, and a Digital video camera, capable of capturing at 4k, in 24fps realtime.

All of our recents scans use this setup, and we have rescanned portions of earlier prints with it also, when needed.

We have a Dolby digital decoder for the sound, and are also looking into expanding to 70mm capture, and other future improvements.

We are mostly self-funded, but have had some donations for a brief period of time.

We have a lot of custom adjustments with the hardware, and have converted to mostly professional equipment since the time we first started.

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 What type of camera do you use?  Is it a full frame sensor with a macro lens like a Canon 5D mark iii?  I am looking into building a similar setup for 8mm film, and have this camera.  Any advice on what lens to use?

Also how do you capture the sound strip from the film?  Do you pull it from the digital pictures, or do you scan it directly from the film?

Thanks

If you shoot in live video mode, then it should not wear out the mirror or shutter, as they are always open.  Is my understanding correct?  At least when you are in this mode, there is no noise made when a picture is taken.

I checked my DSLR, and even in video mode the shutter does engage, so one film would destroy a $2500 camera. 

As pointed out in this post, we have a projector similar to this:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/post/715948/#TopicPost715948

We are using something like a professional Red Video camera (Not this one):

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The video is captured directly from the projector, not off any surface.

Also, the sound is captured directly through the Dolby Digital decoder. (Again, not our machine, but similar to this)

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Am I correct in assuming the color correction will take place when your final cleaned work print has been assembled or have some scenes already been corrected? 

No color correction has been done, unless stated, like for the Intro, Crawl and Credits.

We hope to assemble it in the next month or so, and do correction on professional equipment.

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Great, if you keep going at this rate you will beat The Force Awakens to the punch! 

Probably the most effective way to set up a DSLR would be to lock the shutter open (either by hardware or software means) and then strobing LED lighting when you want to take a shot to prevent the jello-shutter effect CMOS sensors have taking video (which is why the shutter would still trigger for video)

Bonus points for removing the color filter and strobing R G and B LED's, one shot per color.  An ideal implementation of this could be quite effective for it's price, if a bit slow.

We have just started to test out the links. Looks like you will have to download the parts for yourself. The file is 3 Gigs.

Emails should start going out shortly, with the information required.

Thanks everyone, and we look forward to more previews in the near future.

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poita said:

They are now using a BMD 4K production camera that I sourced for them a while back. It is CCD so you don't have the CMOS rolling shutter/jello problem.

It is a UHD bayer matrix based camera, and if you ride the brake on the projector you can capture realtime at 24fps.

For anyone wanting to create your own scanner, I already have built the software to either do R, G, B with a mono sensor, or single flash of all RGB LEDs for a bayer sensor. The software controls the flash duration of each LED colour so that you can mix the light to achieve the colour desired, handy for faded film.

I also had the hardware (controller board, LED light source etc.) built by a genius guy in the UK, so you could buy that side of it, setup and ready to go. It also has a trigger input and output, so you can use mono or colour machine-vision cameras, like those from PGR, which have better dynamic range than DSLRs and are triggerable, so you don't have to worry about controlling the projector speed. Any projector would work, or you could build your own transport.

I'll start a thread on building your own scanner if anyone is interested, you could fit it to any projector and get results that rival $100,000 scanners, you could build the entire thing from scratch for about a grand, plus the cost of your choice of camera, lens and projector.

 This could be scalable to any format then including 8mm and 16mm I am assuming.  This camera seems to basically be a very nice web camera.  Does it record video, or is it triggered, and individual images are stored?

Poita, could you please create a new thread to talk about hardware and scanners.

Thanks

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Hey team_negative, thanks for all the info about the setup. Very interesting indeed.

Cheers,

Laszlo

Over 100+ members have been contacted via Email. If you did not get one, and were part of the Blog, or Amps, please contact us.

A few emails bounced, so we may need to update yours.

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Mrebo

Team Negative1

Thanks for the responses. Please read the information concerning the preview before asking questions.

This preview is just that, an early preview of Reel 1:
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- Various shots have different aspect ratios. They will be consistent later on.

- The intro/lucasfilm/alta/Crawl have been cleaned and slightly corrected

- NO Color Correction has been done on the remaining parts. Some shots are very dark,
and will be replaced, along with the starfield scenes.

- No deflicker or degraining has been done.

- Slight cropping has been done on the clips.

- Though the clips have been cleaned for the first pass, there is still some fine dirt,
spots, and green lines that will be removed also.

- Sound is temporary Stereo 35mm mix. 
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Thanks

Team Negative1

team_negative1 said:

Over 100+ members have been contacted via Email. If you did not get one, and were part of the Blog, or Amps, please contact us.

A few emails bounced, so we may need to update yours.

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Darth_Threepio

I551

joshdv

Mrebo

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 We noticed you bounced your own email.

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You guys are doing great!  The opening looks fantastic and as soon as it switches scenes after dropping the camera, the black level isn't correct and stuff like that, and some scenes have rounded corners, but I know it is temporary as you mentioned.  Quite impressed with the preview!  Can't wait to see the final version!

HOLY CRAP -- the preview is amazing!  I've never seen SW look so film-like since I saw it in the theater ages ago.

I would have some complaints but they were very well covered in the mail :) But overall, I'm happy with what I've seen, but some of the clips are indeed very dark and/or have wrong colours, but since you write those parts will be replaced, I'm looking forward to the next part. Thanks a lot for your work