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pablumatic said:
With the current lack of new "Darth" so-and-so names in official material and plot rumors I'm thinking they're going to go light on prequel terminology and rules.
Thank god. After years of an EU that gave everything and its mother prequel terminology and rules, it will be wonderful to see that wretched stuff left far behind.
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I hope this film would be more than intrepid adventures and special-effects. As "The Making of Star Wars" (1977 Documental) said, the power of StarWars was in its romantic feeling, inspiring young people about get what we dream. Whitout that, we´ll se another failed attempt to emulate the magic of the originals. Im not very optimistic, since i saw much CGI and "like Transformers" explosions and fire in the Tráiler.
Because the original Star Wars wasn't packed with explosions....
Andy Serkis' role in TFA has now officially been confirmed. He will be playing a character named Supreme Leader Snoke (click image for larger view).
umm, there was only one for sure CG explosion, the rest being some pretty cool practical ones. And I wouldn't consider the trailer much CGI, this trailer showed quite a bit less than say something for Marvel or any of the Transformers movies. Dear god, the amount of iffy CG in Age Of Ultron really took me out of a movie, that was already so-so to begin with.
I believe they have a perfect balance between the two at least in the trailer, plus I'm sure all those shots will look better later.
And just saying ROTJ's final space battle was pretty crazy, especially for the movies of that day.
I do understand your worry though, as I always found the JJ trek space battle scenes really iffy quality, so I hope they actually hold up here. The enterprise tended to look quite fake many times in those films, and I hope that isn't the case with stuff here too with the falcon and such. And hoping the x-wings' quality improves decently as well.
adywan said:
Andy Serkis' role in TFA has now officially been confirmed. He will be playing a character named Supreme Leader Snoke.
Hrm... Name strikes my ear as kind of silly... But certainly no more so than at least five major PT characters I can think of.
Apart from that - he's not a "Darth" anything. I like that (as I'm sure many others here do). I think that puts the (very persistent) Darth Plagueis rumors to rest (speaking of silly names).
This is great news for those of us hoping for a ST that totally ignores the PT (and thereby leaves room for a future PT remake). After all, if the ST were being made with a spirit of resigned acceptance of the PT, one imagines they would take up certain loose threads from the PT to tie the saga together, and to redeem the PT (to whatever extent that's possible). Plagueis seemed liek the biggest loose thread to me, and I genuinely expected them to pick it up (though I didn't want them to)... He's the Big Bad behind the Big Bad; he's pretty much Anakin's father; AND, although dead, is known to have achieved a method of "cheating" death. I'd go so far as to assume that Lucas intentionally crafted the character to be a potential Sequel Trilogy villain, if I weren't already convinced that his screenwriting ineptitude forced him to crap Plagueis out as an expository expediency.
Either way, Serkis isn't playing him and that's a good thing.
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brash_stryker said:
Also, if the art is anything to go by, it's definitely not the same species as in AOTC. It doesn't have the elongated head the AOTC alien has (It is in fact a long cranium, not just a headdress as we see another of the species on Coruscant as well).
Their cranium is a little long but not ridiculous like the headdress. Here's another of her species that also showed up in AOTC:
More depictions:
The one illustration that depicts them with a headdress head I'd mock up to lousy artistic license.
adywan said:
Andy Serkis' role in TFA has now officially been confirmed. He will be playing a character named Supreme Leader Snoke (click image for larger view).
So I'm guessing then that this "Supreme" leader Snoke might be the guy addressing the First Order rally that we saw in the trailer.
But if he's a motion-capture character then it's safe to assume that he's some kind of alien. I find that a pretty fascinating departure from the Empire that we know from the OT. The Empire pretty much consisted entirely of white men, which fitted well with the allusions to Nazism, colonialism and fascism in general. However now we have a supreme leader that's a non-human and Captain Phasma, who's clearly a very important military figure, is a woman. This is a very big departure from what we know. So the First Order is clearly quite different from the Empire that we saw thirty years ago.
(Also is a fascist regime without any form of racial or gender discrimination a form of social commentary on anything? The Empire were like a mix of Nazis and the British empire, so what would the First Order be an allusion to?)
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The reformed Empire can be a an equal opportunity employer, and still evil. ;)
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SilverWook said:
The reformed Empire can be a an equal opportunity employer, and still evil. ;)
Well it's definitely a lot more practical, giving only a small group of people a certain privilege obviously isn't going to help get new recruits. I'm assuming that since this is thirty years later, and that since the Rebels have gained a much stronger political foothold in the galaxy that the remnants of the Empire had to be less exclusive in order to survive. Also being more diverse would have helped them expand in an otherwise politically chaotic time period. I also can't help but observe how similar it is to the EU. The idea of alien and female Imperial leaders reminds me a lot of Desann and Tavion in Jedi Outcast.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
Desann was a great villain, whose backstory made me feel bad he couldn't be turned.
Someone ported the Desann model over to Unreal Tournament 2004. So I can have him fight on my side if I want to. ;)
Where were you in '77?
Good to hear Andy Serkis is not a "Darth", but " Snoke?"
Doesn't have the same ring to it as Palpatine did, but maybe they're going the OT route and calling him just the "Supreme Leader" in the movie much as they just called Palpatine the Emperor in all three of the originals.
Concept Art for Serkis' character:
Tobar said:
Concept Art for Serkis' character:
The Snorks is exactly what popped into my head too when I saw the name. Not liking it at all.
ZkinandBonez said:
adywan said:
Andy Serkis' role in TFA has now officially been confirmed. He will be playing a character named Supreme Leader Snoke (click image for larger view).
So I'm guessing then that this "Supreme" leader Snoke might be the guy addressing the First Order rally that we saw in the trailer.
But if he's a motion-capture character then it's safe to assume that he's some kind of alien. I find that a pretty fascinating departure from the Empire that we know from the OT. The Empire pretty much consisted entirely of white men, which fitted well with the allusions to Nazism, colonialism and fascism in general. However now we have a supreme leader that's a non-human and Captain Phasma, who's clearly a very important military figure, is a woman. This is a very big departure from what we know. So the First Order is clearly quite different from the Empire that we saw thirty years ago.
(Also is a fascist regime without any form of racial or gender discrimination a form of social commentary on anything? The Empire were like a mix of Nazis and the British empire, so what would the First Order be an allusion to?)
In the 4k version of that shot, it seemed fairly clear that the figure was a regular human, which makes the mo-cap character an unlikely candidate.
In that possible-plot slideshow that was linked earlier, it sure sounded like Snoke (whose name wasn't known at the time) was a shadowy figure. So many involved in The First Order may not even know who's running the show: snoke & mirrors
Snoke is a goofy name, but not as goofy as other Star Wars characters that I (and probably you) already love.
Boba Fett... Bib ForTuna... Snoke sounds like Shaft in comparison.
"Supreme Leader" has a cool old school sci-fi feel to it. I like it. And like others has said, it's likely we won't hear his actual name mentioned often, if at all.
ray_afraid said:
Snoke is a goofy name, but not as goofy as other Star Wars characters that I (and probably you) already love.
Boba Fett... Bib ForTuna... Snoke sounds like Shaft in comparison.
Let's not forget the fact that Lucas named an OT character Porkins.
Added to that we have character names such as Sy Snootles, Max Reebo, the third band member was actually called Droopy. Jabba the Hutt is also a pretty funky sounding name. Then we have the official title of Grand Moff. Not to mention a fish-like species called Calamari. I'd say Snoke is quite far down on the list of silliest Star Wars names that we've heard over the years.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
It says it all in his pose and expression that Serkis is the uber bad guy - very awesome pic all around. I can hardly wait to see how he will actually look, but hopefully not until the movie ;)
ray_afraid said:
Snoke is a goofy name, but not as goofy as other Star Wars characters that I (and probably you) already love.
Boba Fett... Bib ForTuna... Snoke sounds like Shaft in comparison.
"Supreme Leader" has a cool old school sci-fi feel to it. I like it. And like others has said, it's likely we won't hear his actual name mentioned often, if at all.
I was just thinking that it had a lame, cheesy sci-fi feel to it. ;)
What they do with his character is far more important than what they call him, though.
Ming The Merciless sounds pretty corny too. We'll all get used to it eventually. ;)
Where were you in '77?
Bear in mind this is an Abrams film. They created one hell of a smoke screen around the identity Khan leading up to Into Darkness.
timdiggerm said:
ZkinandBonez said:
adywan said:
Andy Serkis' role in TFA has now officially been confirmed. He will be playing a character named Supreme Leader Snoke (click image for larger view).
So I'm guessing then that this "Supreme" leader Snoke might be the guy addressing the First Order rally that we saw in the trailer.
But if he's a motion-capture character then it's safe to assume that he's some kind of alien. I find that a pretty fascinating departure from the Empire that we know from the OT. The Empire pretty much consisted entirely of white men, which fitted well with the allusions to Nazism, colonialism and fascism in general. However now we have a supreme leader that's a non-human and Captain Phasma, who's clearly a very important military figure, is a woman. This is a very big departure from what we know. So the First Order is clearly quite different from the Empire that we saw thirty years ago.
(Also is a fascist regime without any form of racial or gender discrimination a form of social commentary on anything? The Empire were like a mix of Nazis and the British empire, so what would the First Order be an allusion to?)
In the 4k version of that shot, it seemed fairly clear that the figure was a regular human, which makes the mo-cap character an unlikely candidate.
In that possible-plot slideshow that was linked earlier, it sure sounded like Snoke (whose name wasn't known at the time) was a shadowy figure. So many involved in The First Order may not even know who's running the show: snoke & mirrors
Wait, just to make sure, by 4k version, you mean the still images they released, right? There isn't a 4k version of the trailer floating around, is there?
May the Force be with you.
It's also not like Sith/Dark Siders haven't had two names before in Star Wars history. He could still be Plagueis.