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No throw away your Old nasty display port Adaptors because now we are on 1.3 did you not know?

DisplayPort version 1.3 was approved on September 15, 2014.[18] This standard increases overall transmission bandwidth to 32.4 Gbit/s with the new HBR3 mode featuring 8.1 Gbit/s per lane (up from 5.4 Gbit/s with HBR2 in version 1.2), totalling 25.92 Gbit/s with overhead removed. This bandwidth allows for 5K displays (5120×2880 px) in RGB mode, and UHD 8K television displays at 7680×4320 (16:9, 33.18 megapixels) using 4:2:0 subsampling at 60 Hz. The bandwidth also allows for two UHD (3840×2160 px) computer monitors at 60 Hz in 24-bit RGB mode using Coordinated Video Timing, a 4K stereo 3D display, or a combination of 4K display and USB 3.0 as allowed by DockPort. The new standard features HDMI 2.0 compatibility mode with HDCP 2.2 content protection. It also supports VESA Display Stream Compression, which uses a visually lossless low-latency algorithm to increase resolutions and color depths and reduce power consumption.[19]

Companion standards Mini DisplayPort

Mini DisplayPort (mDP) is a standard announced by Apple in the fourth quarter of 2008. Shortly after announcing the Mini DisplayPort, Apple announced that it would license the connector technology with no fee. The following year, in early 2009, VESA announced that Mini DisplayPort would be included in the upcoming DisplayPort 1.2 specification. On 24 February 2011, Apple and Intel announced Thunderbolt, a successor to Mini DisplayPort which adds support for PCI Express data connections while maintaining backwards compatibility with Mini DisplayPort based peripherals.[20]

Micro DisplayPort

Micro DisplayPort will target systems that need ultra-compact connectors, such as phones, tablets and ultra-portable notebook computers. This new standard will be physically smaller than the currently available mini DisplayPort connectors. The standard was expected to be released by Q2 2014.[21]

DDM

Direct Drive Monitor (DDM) 1.0 standard was approved in December 2008. It allows for controller-less monitors where the display panel is directly driven by the DisplayPort signal, although the available resolutions and color depth are limited to two-lane operation.

eDP

Embedded DisplayPort (eDP) 1.0 standard was adopted in December 2008. It aims to define a standardized display panel interface for internal connections; e.g., graphics cards to notebook display panels.[22] It has advanced power-saving features including seamless refresh rate switching. Version 1.1 was approved in October 2009 followed by version 1.1a in November 2009. Version 1.2 was approved in May 2010 and includes DisplayPort 1.2 data rates, 120 Hz sequential color monitors, and a new display panel control protocol that works through the AUX channel.[14] Version 1.3 was published in February 2011; it includes a new Panel Self-Refresh (PSR) feature developed to save system power and further extend battery life in portable PC systems.[23] PSR mode allows GPU to enter power saving state in between frame updates by including framebuffer memory in the display panel controller.[14] Version 1.4 was released in February 2013; it reduces power consumption with partial-frame updates in PSR mode, regional backlight control, lower interface voltage, and additional link rates; the auxiliary channel supports multi-touch panel data to accommodate different form factors.[24] Version 1.4a was published in February 2015; it is based on DisplayPort 1.3 and supports HBR3 data rate, Display Stream Compression 1.1, Segmented Panel Displays, and partial updates for Panel Self-Refresh.[25]

iDP

Internal DisplayPort (iDP) 1.0 was approved in April 2010. The iDP standard defines an internal link between a digital TV system on a chip controller and the display panel's timing controller. It aims to replace currently used internal FPD-Link lanes with DisplayPort connection.[26] iDP features unique physical interface and protocols, which are not directly compatible with DisplayPort and are not applicable to external connection, however they enable very high resolution and refresh rates while providing simplicity and extensibility.[14] iDP features non-variable 2.7 GHz clock and is nominally rated at 3.24 Gbit/s data rate per lane, with up to sixteen lanes in a bank, resulting in six-fold decrease in wiring requirements over FPD-Link for a 1080p24 signal; other data rates are also possible. iDP was built with simplicity in mind and it doesn't have AUX channel, content protection, or multiple streams; however it does have frame sequential and line interleaved stereo 3D.[14]

PDMI

Portable Digital Media Interface (PDMI) is an interconnection between docking stations/display devices and portable media players, which includes 2-lane DisplayPort v1.1a connection. It has been ratified in February 2010 as ANSI/CEA-2017-A.

wDP

Wireless DisplayPort (wDP) enables DisplayPort 1.2 bandwidth and feature set for cable-free applications operating in 60 GHz radio band; it was announced on November 2010 by WiGig Alliance and VESA as a cooperative effort.[27]

SlimPort

A SlimPort-to-HDMI adapter, made by Analogix

SlimPort, a brand of Analogix products,[28] complies with Mobility DisplayPort, also known as MyDP, which is an industry standard for a mobile audio/video Interface, providing connectivity from mobile devices to external displays and HDTVs. SlimPort implements the transmission of video up to 4K-UltraHD and up to eight channels of audio over the micro-USB connector to an external converter accessory or display device. SlimPort products support seamless connectivity to DisplayPort, HDMI and VGA displays.[29] The MyDP standard was released in June 2012,[30] and the first product to use SlimPort was Google's Nexus 4 smartphone.[31]

SlimPort is an alternative to Mobile High-Definition Link (MHL).[32][33]

DisplayID

Main article: DisplayID

DisplayID is designed to replace the E-EDID standard. DisplayID features variable-length structures which encompass all existing EDID extensions as well as new extensions for 3D displays and embedded displays.

The latest version 1.3 (announced on 23 September 2013) adds enhanced support for tiled display topologies; it allows better identification of multiple video streams, and reports bezel size and locations.[34] As of December 2013, many current 4K displays use a tiled topology, but lack a standard way to report to the video source which tile is left and which is right. These early 4K displays, for manufacturing reasons, typically use two 1920×2160 panels laminated together and are currently generally treated as multiple-monitor setups.[35] DisplayID 1.3 also allows 8K display discovery, and has applications in stereo 3D, where multiple video streams are used.

DockPort

Main article: DockPort

DockPort, formerly known as Lightning Bolt, is an extension to DisplayPort to include USB 3.0 data as well as power for charging portable devices from attached external displays. Originally developed by AMD and Texas Instruments, it has been announced as a VESA specification in 2014.[36]

USB Type-C

On September 22, 2014, VESA published the "DisplayPort Alternate Mode on USB Type-C Connector Standard", a specification on how to send DisplayPort signals over the newly released USB Type-C connector. One, two or all four of the differential lanes defined for the SuperSpeed bus can be configured dynamically as DisplayPort lanes. In the first two cases the connector still can carry a full USB 3.1 signal; in the latter case, at least a USB 2.0 signal is available. The DisplayPort AUX channel is also supported through the "sideband" pair over the same connector; furthermore, USB power delivery according to the newly expanded USB-PD 2.0 specification is possible at the same time. This makes the Type-C connector a strict superset of the use-cases envisioned for DockPort.[3

NEVERMIND THE EDID MANAGERS WE WILL ALL MANAGE TO GET SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN !!! EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH DISPLAYID AND USE AN EDID WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE STANDARD USED NOW....

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Ronster said:

yours sounds More Work Monitor than for Living Room TV Harmy...

Nothing wrong with that. Can you get full HD on a normal HDMI cable through your HDMI 2.0 port?

If we're talking about the Panasonic, that's definitelly very much a TV, it's just a high-end model:

http://shop.panasonic.com/TC-58AX800U.html

I got it cuz it's THX certified and supposedly covers 98% of all professional DCI studio color standards and delivers the same color gamut level of a plasma display.

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Harmy said:

Ronster said:

yours sounds More Work Monitor than for Living Room TV Harmy...

Nothing wrong with that. Can you get full HD on a normal HDMI cable through your HDMI 2.0 port?

If we're talking about the Panasonic, that's definitelly very much a TV, it's just a high-end model:

http://shop.panasonic.com/TC-58AX800U.html

I got it cuz it's THX certified and supposedly covers 98% of all professional DCI studio color standards and delivers the same color gamut level of a plasma display.

 Panasonic are very much a professional brand and not such a TV home market I was actually talking about your Sammy.. But Samsung have a separation between domestic and Pro and probably market more different models.

Panasonic and Samsung are the most common screens that I find in the commercial market.

I still put up Panasonic Plasmas a lot, just because I guess the colors are a lot more natural than LCD... Even though I really like the new LED lit LCD's I think the color can be a bit garish on them. Only downside to plasma was really the burning in of an image with repeated themes like Logo's and such.

As for newer models LED lit LCD screens It Is Samsung first LG second and Sharp as a 3rd place that I encounter most frequently.

I recently heard a story of the BBC selling off all their old TM-10 monitors only to try and buy them back.

This is a broadcast preview monitor made by Sony but they wanted to buy them back because the colors were so much more accurate than modern solutions. I believe they did buy  a lot of them back after selling them at a loss as far as the story goes because of complaints from the camera operators and crew. I did only hear this story mind and am relaying what I have heard.

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TV's Frink said:

 I'm not seeing much Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40-watt range.

 Fixed.

If your crop is water, what, exactly, would you dust your crops with?

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team_negative1 said:

Harmy,

Can you comment on the 4k clip we sent you. You seem to be the only one that can play it at full resolution.

Also, some monitors support 10 bit color, however very few applications support it. You need the right cable, and OS support also.

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 OK, I finally got around to testing this clip on my 4K TV - it looks great! BUT! When I scaled it down to 1080p and back up to 4K, there was absolutely no difference whatsoever - I mean zero - like when I made that sample of the 1080p vs 720p for the BD, there was a difference but just very little, however here, I can see no difference at all and I'm looking at a 58" 4K screen from the distance of about one foot (I can clearly see the individual pixels that way but no difference in image detail) and I continue not to see any even when I pretty much press my nose against the screen, so I would say staying at 1080p for the final release is justified, at least with this transfer. If the team allows, I can post screenshot comparisons.

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Thanks Harmy for the reply, appreciate the comments. We wil see if we can get you some other samples. This might have been one test, that was encoded with standard settings. Those can probably be changed.

It's not the same thing, but we'll send you some sample screengrabs, and you can look at those, while we check things out.

[Just as another note, we actually have a Sony Reference monitor like the one shown above. It's not high resolution, but it would be good for previewing as mentioned.]

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camroncamera said:

TV's Frink said:

 I'm not seeing much Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40-watt range.

 Fixed.

 I have no idea how long ago I said that, but it's long enough that all context has been lost...so, thanks.

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camroncamera said:

TV's Frink said:

 I'm not seeing much Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40-watt range.

 Fixed.

You can't do that. 

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Luke screaming as he fell down Cloud City came and went, so surely Vader saying no can do the same.

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I don't know how or why, but this thread has over 2k posts.

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TV's Frink said:

I don't know how or why, but this thread has over 2k posts.

 Fortunately there is no appetite for 4K posts and there never will be.

VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

I don't know how or why, but this thread has over 2k posts.

 Fortunately there is no appetite for 4K posts and there never will be.

 I can't really tell the difference between 2K and 4K posts from this distance anyway.

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Dolby vision sounds more promising.

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http://gizmodo.com/how-dolby-vision-works-and-how-it-could-revolutionize-1594894563

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/cinemacon-dolby-readies-dolby-vision-790478

The Dolby format offers a high dynamic range (HDR), meaning a wider range between the whitest whites and blackest blacks in a picture, along with features including a greater contrast ratio and color gamut. It can be projected in theaters with a Dolby Vision projection system that use Christie laser projectors.

Disney's CinemaCon slate presentation will include the screening of Inside Out and a clip from its May 22 release Tomorrowland in Dolby Vision. These are the first two titles that will be released in the format, and they will also be available with Dolby Atmos sound.

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Actually, I expected you to use this.

Wazzles said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

I don't know how or why, but this thread has over 2k posts.

 Fortunately there is no appetite for 4K posts and there never will be.

 I can't really tell the difference between 2K and 4K posts from this distance anyway.

Who needs 2k posts threads, anyway (nevermind 4k!)? I bet a 1080 posts thread can be more than enough conclusive, don't you agree?

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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Now I am wondering whether I should post a 4K clip from that prequel project I've been working on, just so I can see what people think when they view it on a 4K display.

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John Doom said:

Actually, I expected you to use this.

Wazzles said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

I don't know how or why, but this thread has over 2k posts.

 Fortunately there is no appetite for 4K posts and there never will be.

 I can't really tell the difference between 2K and 4K posts from this distance anyway.

Who needs 2k posts threads, anyway (nevermind 4k!)? I bet a 1080 posts thread can be more than enough conclusive, don't you agree?

 It was a bit of a disappointment.

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Although it has been stated images at 1080P look better upscaled on a 4K TV...

What is the enhancement and how would you describe that it is an improvement?

Is it simply a smoother image?

Something I have also been reading about is refresh rates and how this can be an important factor also in deciding what screen to go for...Well for computers it is, but also as for handling I have heard some TV's running 4K content revert to 30HZ which is poor...Watch out for those ones only except 60HZ running 4K.

I am guessing 4K content with either HFR / HDR or 3D will be interesting to see if there is enough bandwidth for all 3 although HDR may be processed at the screen end more than likely and have nothing to do with cable bandwidth.

@Negative 1 Christie (Sanyo) make some really nice projectors I use Panasonic most of the time but use Christies on occasion also. These and Barco's are Generally the best brand projectors on the Market.

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^We don't know who that is, but his views are not representative of our team.  Perhaps he intended to log into the Team_Negative1 account.

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My God, this horrible thread has made Frink replicate himself... HOW MUCH MORE HARM WILL THIS THREAD CAUSE TO THE WORLD?!?!?!?!?