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Good points, but you may want to edit your wall of text, so that people can read it.

Team Negative1

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team_negative1 said:

Good points, but you may want to edit your wall of text, so that people can read it.

Team Negative1

 Hahahahahahaha, the irony is delicious.

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away......a site was created to secure the preservation of a film that impacted the world and changed the face of cinema. Then you people came along.

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crissrudd4554 said:

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away......a site was created to secure the preservation of a film that impacted the world and changed the face of cinema. Then you people came along.

Interestingly, this website started with the simple goal of getting Star Wars on DVD. That's it. Nobody knew what would happen in 2004. :-(

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AntcuFaalb said: Interestingly, this website started with the simple goal of getting Star Wars on DVD. That's it. Nobody knew what would happen in 2004. :-(

 I stand corrected and thank you for your correction.

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AntcuFaalb said:

Interestingly, this website started with the simple goal of getting Star Wars on DVD.

And now we get into lengthy, indecipherable discussions on HD, 3D, 2K, 4K, Y2K, "Yakety Sax", infinity, and beyond. It's madness, I tells ya, madness! 

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I don't think there's any contractual agreement to never release the OOT until after Lucas' death. It'd be a very odd and uncomfortable discussion to have at a business meeting and frankly just doesn't make sense given the fact that Lucas approved the release of the GOUT. 

I also don't understand the argument that Disney will interfere in the home video releases of Star Wars films. Lucasfilm still exists as an entity. Disney didn't buy Star Wars, they bought Lucasfilm, and everything it owned, which includes Star Wars. Lucasfilm is, to a certain extent, an individual company with it's own managers and producers that Disney ultimately has control over. Of course Disney could make them do whatever they see fit, but the idea of really high up Disney executives shutting down, or even caring about, the home video releases of old Star Wars movies is a bit far fetched I think, especially given that the real focus is no doubt on the new movies.

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George Lucas and Fox had stipulations about Star Wars during the sale, hence the confusion with home releases (or non-release).

As mentioned many times.

Just because they have money, it still needs to be allocated.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/01/four-reasons-why-disney-cant-release-the-theatrical-cuts-of-star-warsyet/

Disney likes money, that is true, but in order to restore the Original Trilogy back to the theatrical cuts simply will cost too much based on the number of people who actually care about them.

You see, the “Han Shot First” crowd is a very vocal and noisy minority online. If the majority of Star Wars fans felt the way they do, the DVD and Blu-Ray releases of the Original Trilogy wouldn’t have sold as well. People didn’t vote with their wallets, they lined up to buy the movies on each re-release. Sure, some complained online about it…right before running out to Best Buy to pick up their $80 Blu-Ray set.

Even that recent, and stupid, “Dear JJ Abrams” video could only lure about 125k people to sign their petition. Disney isn’t going to spend multiple millions of dollars to produce a Blu-Ray set that only a few people actually truly care about.

 

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team_negative1 said:

You see, the “Han Shot First” crowd is a very vocal and noisy minority online. If the majority of Star Wars fans felt the way they do, the DVD and Blu-Ray releases of the Original Trilogy wouldn’t have sold as well. People didn’t vote with their wallets, they lined up to buy the movies on each re-release. Sure, some complained online about it…right before running out to Best Buy to pick up their $80 Blu-Ray set.

So, Katie Lucas is a member of the team. I certainly didn't see that coming. 

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I wish people wouldn't post links to the site of an individual who is openly hostile to originaltrilogy, deliberately spreads false spoiler information, and has been disrespectful to people who worked on those films on both sides of the camera.

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Where were you in '77?

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Is there any reason to believe that a release of the OUT would cost millions? I don't know what knowledge (if any) furious fanboys have regarding Disney or film restoration, but I wasn't convinced by their article. Especially since R Harris hasn't said that an OUT restoration would be horrifyingly expensive.

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I still fail to understand how/why it should be expensive. To release a HD scan of the OUT, you need

- good looking prints - they have them

- a HD film scanner - they have them

- a person who can scan film - they have them

- a person who is able to take HD files and author a BD out of them - they PROBABLY have these persons

- designers (menus, covers, etc)

- marketing team - they have them

So sorry, what costs? They have the people, they have the equipment and they have the prints, and I'm pretty sure such a release would be considered "good enough" for most of us

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Lucas said it was too expensive to restore, therefore it must be so.

Even if that was remotely true, Lucasfilm could raise the cash in a matter of hours appealing to fans online. It was done for Manos: The Hands of Fate, a film with a much smaller fanbase.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manos/manos-the-restoration

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It wouldn't cost millions, this is the same misinformation being spread around, except now it's one of our own members. Seriously? 

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team_negative1 said:

George Lucas and Fox had stipulations about Star Wars during the sale, hence the confusion with home releases (or non-release).

As mentioned many times.

Just because they have money, it still needs to be allocated.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/01/four-reasons-why-disney-cant-release-the-theatrical-cuts-of-star-warsyet/

Disney likes money, that is true, but in order to restore the Original Trilogy back to the theatrical cuts simply will cost too much based on the number of people who actually care about them.

You see, the “Han Shot First” crowd is a very vocal and noisy minority online. If the majority of Star Wars fans felt the way they do, the DVD and Blu-Ray releases of the Original Trilogy wouldn’t have sold as well. People didn’t vote with their wallets, they lined up to buy the movies on each re-release. Sure, some complained online about it…right before running out to Best Buy to pick up their $80 Blu-Ray set.

Even that recent, and stupid, “Dear JJ Abrams” video could only lure about 125k people to sign their petition. Disney isn’t going to spend multiple millions of dollars to produce a Blu-Ray set that only a few people actually truly care about.

 

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 I know you will just ignore my post, becuase it's the easy way out, but does every member of the team agree with this? If not, how many of you disagree?

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Well I view it 3 ways. You have fans who prefer the OUT, fans who prefer the SE (any of them), and fans who aren't concerned otherwise and will watch the film's regardless of what versions they are. When you break it down the real battle is only between the first two groups of fans. The last will be happy with whatever. So I wouldn't say the OUT fans are a minority but they shouldn't be the target audience that Disney's aiming for should they reissue the OUT. As much as I prefer the OUT over the SE, I'm not gonna be part of the crowd that goes 'you're not a true SW fan if you like the SE's' or vice versa. If the originals are to be issued again, Disney should package it with the SE, whether it's a previously released version or a new edit, to please both camps. As I said the third group will probably be pleased with whatever.

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crissrudd4554 said:

Well I view it 3 ways. You have fans who prefer the OUT, fans who prefer the SE (any of them), and fans who aren't concerned otherwise and will watch the film's regardless of what versions they are. When you break it down the real battle is only between the first two groups of fans. The last will be happy with whatever. So I wouldn't say the OUT fans are a minority but they shouldn't be the target audience that Disney's aiming for should they reissue the OUT. As much as I prefer the OUT over the SE, I'm not gonna be part of the crowd that goes 'you're not a true SW fan if you like the SE's' or vice versa. If the originals are to be issued again, Disney should package it with the SE, whether it's a previously released version or a new edit, to please both camps. As I said the third group will probably be pleased with whatever.

 I definitely agree that both should be packaged together. The SE, like it or not, is now an irreversible part of the OT's history, and should be preserved as such alongside the originals.

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This is what was reported  for the SE versions:

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It ultimately cost $15 million to restore all three films. Fox, which owns "Star Wars," put up $10 million to refurbish the film. Lucas, who owns the subsequent films, contributed $5 million to revamp "The Empire Strikes Back," which arrives Feb. 21, and "Return of the Jedi," due out March 7. (Fox will spend in excess of $15 million to launch the re-release.)

http://articles.latimes.com/1997-01-28/entertainment/ca-22867_1_star-wars

Disney would be fortunate to be able to come up with any money near that amount to restore the originals. Although, there are a lot more variables to contend with now, than there were in the past. So taking into account inflation and other variables, it would definitely be higher than that.

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TV's Frink said:

team_negative1 said:

George Lucas and Fox had stipulations about Star Wars during the sale, hence the confusion with home releases (or non-release).

As mentioned many times.

Just because they have money, it still needs to be allocated.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/01/four-reasons-why-disney-cant-release-the-theatrical-cuts-of-star-warsyet/

Disney likes money, that is true, but in order to restore the Original Trilogy back to the theatrical cuts simply will cost too much based on the number of people who actually care about them.

You see, the “Han Shot First” crowd is a very vocal and noisy minority online. If the majority of Star Wars fans felt the way they do, the DVD and Blu-Ray releases of the Original Trilogy wouldn’t have sold as well. People didn’t vote with their wallets, they lined up to buy the movies on each re-release. Sure, some complained online about it…right before running out to Best Buy to pick up their $80 Blu-Ray set.

Even that recent, and stupid, “Dear JJ Abrams” video could only lure about 125k people to sign their petition. Disney isn’t going to spend multiple millions of dollars to produce a Blu-Ray set that only a few people actually truly care about.

 

Team Negative1

 I know you will just ignore my post, becuase it's the easy way out, but does every member of the team agree with this? If not, how many of you disagree?

 

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*crickets*

Yep.

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team_negative1 said:

This is what was reported  for the SE versions:

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It ultimately cost $15 million to restore all three films. Fox, which owns "Star Wars," put up $10 million to refurbish the film. Lucas, who owns the subsequent films, contributed $5 million to revamp "The Empire Strikes Back," which arrives Feb. 21, and "Return of the Jedi," due out March 7. (Fox will spend in excess of $15 million to launch the re-release.)

http://articles.latimes.com/1997-01-28/entertainment/ca-22867_1_star-wars

Disney would be fortunate to be able to come up with any money near that amount to restore the originals. Although, there are a lot more variables to contend with now, than there were in the past. So taking into account inflation and other variables, it would definitely be higher than that.

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But we don't know how much of that money went towards the new effects. I'm not an expert on anything, but I'm assuming that a significant amount had to have gone to the SE changes seeing as how pretty much all effects were recomposited or altered in some way. Also, weren't the films in bad shape, preserved terribly, and had to be chemically restored? Those reasons also contributed to the expensive price tag. The context of that restoration is no where near the circumstances these films face today. Plus they don't even have to restore chopped up negatives (IIRC someone posted a source that pointed towards the physically altered negative not being the case) to give us a half decent release. Saying that restoring the original films would cost more than it did then is absurd seeing as how this time they aren't spending millions on CGI, and I'm guessing that greater efforts went to preserving the films than before the SE restoration. Even still, there are more sources than the negatives. You should know that seeing as how that's the entire basis for your project.

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team_negative1 said:

This is what was reported  for the SE versions:

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It ultimately cost $15 million to restore all three films. Fox, which owns "Star Wars," put up $10 million to refurbish the film. Lucas, who owns the subsequent films, contributed $5 million to revamp "The Empire Strikes Back," which arrives Feb. 21, and "Return of the Jedi," due out March 7. (Fox will spend in excess of $15 million to launch the re-release.)

http://articles.latimes.com/1997-01-28/entertainment/ca-22867_1_star-wars

Disney would be fortunate to be able to come up with any money near that amount to restore the originals. Although, there are a lot more variables to contend with now, than there were in the past. So taking into account inflation and other variables, it would definitely be higher than that.

Team Negative1

 Come on, (I hope) you know they have done something completely different than we want from them !

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crissrudd4554 said:

Well I view it 3 ways. You have fans who prefer the OUT, fans who prefer the SE (any of them), and fans who aren't concerned otherwise and will watch the film's regardless of what versions they are. When you break it down the real battle is only between the first two groups of fans. The last will be happy with whatever. So I wouldn't say the OUT fans are a minority but they shouldn't be the target audience that Disney's aiming for should they reissue the OUT. As much as I prefer the OUT over the SE, I'm not gonna be part of the crowd that goes 'you're not a true SW fan if you like the SE's' or vice versa. If the originals are to be issued again, Disney should package it with the SE, whether it's a previously released version or a new edit, to please both camps. As I said the third group will probably be pleased with whatever.

 I definitely agree that both should be packaged together. The SE, like it or not, is now an irreversible part of the OT's history, and should be preserved as such alongside the originals.

 When you say the SE should be preserved, are you talking about the most recent SE or all of them? And if Lucas decided to re-release the SE on blu-ray again with a few more changes, would you want those preserved too?

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moviefreakedmind said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Well I view it 3 ways. You have fans who prefer the OUT, fans who prefer the SE (any of them), and fans who aren't concerned otherwise and will watch the film's regardless of what versions they are. When you break it down the real battle is only between the first two groups of fans. The last will be happy with whatever. So I wouldn't say the OUT fans are a minority but they shouldn't be the target audience that Disney's aiming for should they reissue the OUT. As much as I prefer the OUT over the SE, I'm not gonna be part of the crowd that goes 'you're not a true SW fan if you like the SE's' or vice versa. If the originals are to be issued again, Disney should package it with the SE, whether it's a previously released version or a new edit, to please both camps. As I said the third group will probably be pleased with whatever.

 I definitely agree that both should be packaged together. The SE, like it or not, is now an irreversible part of the OT's history, and should be preserved as such alongside the originals.

 When you say the SE should be preserved, are you talking about the most recent SE or all of them? And if Lucas decided to re-release the SE on blu-ray again with a few more changes, would you want those preserved too?

 That is the nature of preservation. It's the reason why we even have people on here preserving the Holiday Special, which is also a much-derided blemish on the franchise. Preserve all versions of the films - OUT, '97 SE, '04 SE, '11 SE. Even if Lucasfilm releases another version.

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I honestly don't care if the '04 and '11 versions are included in a future "ultimate" collection. In fact, I would almost prefer they not be, just so I don't have to pay for them again. The 2011 version is already out there on blu-Ray for those who want it, and I'm sure someone's done a nice HD preservation of the '04 version from the broadcasts.

The '97 version is the only historically important version of the SE imo. It's probably the first time (still the only time?) that such a beloved classic got that wide of a rerelease and drew in that much box office while still being a radically altered version of itself.

The next iteration of the SE, from the new 4k scan, will probably just replicate most of the 04/11 changes anyway. There's even a rumor that some changes, like the Han and Greedo scene, have actually been reversed.