Help: looking for Prequel Theatrical Versions

I know there are a lot of differences between the original trilogy dvd release and the theatrical release.

But, that same issue happens to the prequels to?

If yes, were can i get those versions?

hundsdorfex said:

I know there are a lot of differences between the original trilogy dvd release and the theatrical release.

But, that same issue happens to the prequels to?

If yes, were can i get those versions?

 There are laserdisc/DVD bootleg and TV rips of TPM.

I think the only available AoTC theatrical versions are recorded from theaters.

Not aware of any 'Sith' theatrical versions. But as far as I know, there are only three changes. They're ridiculously insignificant, which makes it even stranger that they were made:

1. When the clones repel down towards the Grevious/Obiwan battle, voices are added. (changed for Blu-ray, not on DVD/HDTV)

2. They added rust/growth to the top of the Wookie huts. (changed on Blu-ray, not on DVD/HDTV).

3. They (probably accidentally) removed a wipe on Mustafar for the DVD. Reinstated it on Blu-ray. 

Were can i get those TPM versions? (i didn't find in myspleen)

Are you sure there are no good versions of AoTC? Thats bad... whats the difference betweent the two?

Look for the Japanese Laserdisc version on MySpleen.  It is a true theatrical cut.  I think Adywan's recreation is there, but it is based on the DVD with an HD broadcast to make corrections, and I know of one change that was unknown at the time that he didn't include.

Yes, there are no good versions of AOTC, but there is a bootleg on MySpleen.

While this site's DoubleOFive has a pretty comprehensive list of every change, no matter how significant to the OT, a great site with nice visuals and descriptions covering the biggest changes can be found here:

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html

This link is just for the PT, but the OT changes are easily found from there if you are interested.

Thanks, found TPM on spleen :D

Forgive my ignorance, but, what bootleg means?

In this case it means somebody with a camera recorded AOTC in the theater.

Is a good recording?

It's not terrible. That exact release (Centropy) is actually how I first saw that film, hah.

The color is pretty bad, very blue. But the camera is on a tripod so the image doesn't shake around, and the audio is recorded directly via a line in rather than microphone in the theater.

darth_ender said:

While this site's DoubleOFive has a pretty comprehensive list of every change, no matter how significant to the OT, a great site with nice visuals and descriptions covering the biggest changes can be found here:

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html

 It's a very good list. Missing a few things, though, including two of the Episode III changes I listed.

towne32 said:

It's not terrible. That exact release (Centropy) is actually how I first saw that film, hah.

The color is pretty bad, very blue. But the camera is on a tripod so the image doesn't shake around, and the audio is recorded directly via a line in rather than microphone in the theater.

darth_ender said:

While this site's DoubleOFive has a pretty comprehensive list of every change, no matter how significant to the OT, a great site with nice visuals and descriptions covering the biggest changes can be found here:

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html

 It's a very good list. Missing a few things, though, including two of the Episode III changes I listed.

 In this case, i'll check it out...

Thanks everybody, for all the help and directions :)

hundsdorfex said:

towne32 said:

It's not terrible. That exact release (Centropy) is actually how I first saw that film, hah.

The color is pretty bad, very blue. But the camera is on a tripod so the image doesn't shake around, and the audio is recorded directly via a line in rather than microphone in the theater.

darth_ender said:

While this site's DoubleOFive has a pretty comprehensive list of every change, no matter how significant to the OT, a great site with nice visuals and descriptions covering the biggest changes can be found here:

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html

 It's a very good list. Missing a few things, though, including two of the Episode III changes I listed.

 In this case, i'll check it out...

Thanks everybody, for all the help and directions :)

 Just keep your expectations low. It's mostly just useful to see what the differences are.

I think in order to make an actual despecialized version of Episode II (if anyone cared), it would require decent quality versions of Anakin's Robo Wedding Hand, and the strangely deleted speeder. So, probably impossible.

III would only take a few seconds to make a theatrical edit but I doubt anyone would care. It would be nice if any of the 'scene' cams/telesyncs from its original release were still available on the net, to see if there are any other changes that haven't been noticed. 

towne32 said:

hundsdorfex said:

I know there are a lot of differences between the original trilogy dvd release and the theatrical release.

But, that same issue happens to the prequels to?

If yes, were can i get those versions?

 There are laserdisc/DVD bootleg and TV rips of TPM.

I think the only available AoTC theatrical versions are recorded from theaters.

Not aware of any 'Sith' theatrical versions. But as far as I know, there are only three changes. They're ridiculously insignificant, which makes it even stranger that they were made:

1. When the clones repel down towards the Grevious/Obiwan battle, voices are added. (changed for Blu-ray, not on DVD/HDTV)

2. They added rust/growth to the top of the Wookie huts. (changed on Blu-ray, not on DVD/HDTV).

3. They (probably accidentally) removed a wipe on Mustafar for the DVD. Reinstated it on Blu-ray. 

 This is interesting. I always thought the theatrical cut of "Sith" can be achieved by combining the video from the Bluray and the audio from the NTSC DVD. Do you have any pictures or more detail about the changed Wookie huts?

pittrek said:

towne32 said:

hundsdorfex said:

I know there are a lot of differences between the original trilogy dvd release and the theatrical release.

But, that same issue happens to the prequels to?

If yes, were can i get those versions?

 There are laserdisc/DVD bootleg and TV rips of TPM.

I think the only available AoTC theatrical versions are recorded from theaters.

Not aware of any 'Sith' theatrical versions. But as far as I know, there are only three changes. They're ridiculously insignificant, which makes it even stranger that they were made:

1. When the clones repel down towards the Grevious/Obiwan battle, voices are added. (changed for Blu-ray, not on DVD/HDTV)

2. They added rust/growth to the top of the Wookie huts. (changed on Blu-ray, not on DVD/HDTV).

3. They (probably accidentally) removed a wipe on Mustafar for the DVD. Reinstated it on Blu-ray. 

 This is interesting. I always thought the theatrical cut of "Sith" can be achieved by combining the video from the Bluray and the audio from the NTSC DVD. Do you have any pictures or more detail about the changed Wookie huts?

 The best way to do that would be to use Schorman's HDTV version probably, for the hut.

It's during order 66, I think. It's a shot that pans downwards towards a trooper getting the order message. Yoda is in the background. Extra rust and barnacles have been added on the blu-ray.

So, why on earth did this change? I feel like it must have been something in the rendering pipeline that mistakenly didn't get added to a previous release or something. 

edit: https://youtu.be/IiCn0O4aF_8?t=51s depicts the change.

Given how trivial these things are, I think it would probably be ideal to get a cam/telesync to review before anyone actually bothers to render a theatrical "cut" of the film. There's got to be other small changes. 

Interesting video, thanks again

Adywan's TPM is is on my spleen?

I didn't find it...

Was that the workprint? Either way, it doesn't seem to be around anymore. Might be nice to have on the spleen though if anyone has it. :)

As for adywan's edit, it may have been deleted. Wasn't it an SD version anyway? Might as well watch the Japanese release or the TV rip instead.

Molly said:

No, the workprint was the one with the clocks on it.

 Thanks. Maybe I'll put in a request for the R5 on Spleen.

Valeyard: Do you suppose theres any feasible way to reconstruct the Episode II theatrical HD? I imagine the final scene is virtually un-doable unless there's a source for that shot that hasn't been mentioned.

JayArgonaut said:

towne32 said:

III would only take a few seconds to make a theatrical edit but I doubt anyone would care. It would be nice if any of the 'scene' cams/telesyncs from its original release were still available on the net, to see if there are any other changes that haven't been noticed. 

There was better than a cam or tele-sync for ROTS' theatrical version. A telecine did the rounds and whilst it wasn't quite as good as the final retail DVD, it's still a pretty decent copy for the circumstances and put the other offerings to shame. 

I've got it somewhere on an HDD, if you're interested, let me know.

 I managed to get it from someone here. Actually, I told them I would upload it to the spleen and haven't gotten around to it. 

Wasn't the "workprint" (aka the source for Backstroke of the West) just the theatrical version with a time code? I don't remember any dirt or cigarette burns, so it was from the DCP version, right?

Was the 35mm theatrical cut of III different from the DCP theatrical cut, as with II? (And was the Russian bootleg, the one I once saw a classmate watching on his iPod or similar device, taken from 35mm?)