brash_stryker said:
The same goes for my campy comment. You took me out of context and showed that picture of a sinister looking Duros to contradict me, but it's without the campy cowboy getup which is my main point of contention, though the fact that he's a bright blue alien with it doesn't help matters.
I showed that picture so that you may actually see the tone and look for what this potential Duros in live-action may be similar to, since you've been expressing all along how you don't like its "campy" design. As I did, fill in the rest with your imagination.
Star Wars draws a lot of inspiration from earth stuff. Of course it does, that's unavoidable. I just think a cowboy hat is too blatant a homage. It just looks silly in my opinion. Especially on a blue alien. Though it seems this is the very reason you think it DOES work, and I respect your opinion. I'm definitely not going to get into any argument based on your speculation as to the fictional reasons Duros might wear hats though.
Okay, fair enough if the hat really bugs you that much. I still feel it all works fine, not blatant as you feel it is, but just as the other western influences were referenced in the OT.
I've never once said that characters from animation can't be ported over to other mediums. You seem intent on making out I have, but I can't find anywhere where that's even implied. I merely expressed it about this particular one.
Yes you have, it's exactly one of the arguments you made in your first post that started this whole debate in the first place. Here it is for reminder:
I dont understand why anyone finds these cartoon characters compelling. They're laughable caricatures; completely fine for the medium they're presented in, but have absolutely no place in a live action, more serious movie.
I doubt I'm alone. You also seem unable to differentiate between my dislike for the character in TCW, and my opinion that his appearance makes him unsuitable for Revisited. You've said I'm now "backtracking" or "narrowing down" my reasons for disliking the character. Not at all. I still think the character was one dimensional and boring with cliched lines, voice and no character development whatsoever. But none of that matters when it comes to Revisited as it's only his appearance (which includes his attire) that's relevant there, which is why I've not mentioned any of that other stuff since my initial post mentioning my dislike of TCW.
I don't agree, because I still see potential.
Incidentally though, you're bringing up Bane's actions in the show. These aren't relevant when it comes to our point of discussion - you thinking he would be a good fit for Revisited.
It was relevant since you were claiming how non-threatening a character he was, so I was providing some background examples from the show. I do still think he would be a fine addition for Revisited if treated properly.
When I referred to him having 'Kids' show' written all over him, again, I was referring to his appearance (is it sinking in yet?)
I guess not. I don't see anything about him that has "Kids' Show" written all over him (I'm imagining the live-action version, which I have been trying to get you to do all along).
There are so many things you're quoting out of context I can't even keep track.
Not so. You made your argument(s), and I replied with a counterargument(s) right after it.
Likewise, I mentioned Zabraks and Twileks as examples because it wouldn't be a rubber mask, it would be makeup. Yknow....allowing the actor to....act and emote. And the audience to relate in ways they couldn't otherwise.
People can certainly relate with and sense the emotions Yoda had, so why limit it to just people with their faces exposed? I'm not against seeing more of those kinds, but let's aim higher, let's get more aliens with non-human-looking faces to show in the PT - need to replace much of the bad CG ones.
A rubber mask which is meant to be the character's actual face is not comparable to a helmet/mask with an implied face beneath or a droid without any face at all. There's no point even attempting to compare the two as they are completely different.
Not as different as you think. It doesn't matter so much if the character is wearing a helmet, prosthetics, make-up, or is a droid, the audience can still identify and relate with that character if there's still something about them they can connect with. So while it helps, an emotive face doesn't always have to be there. In the case of Bane, though, he can have an emotive face by digital manipulation on the prosthetic mask.
We don't question that Vader is wearing a helmet. It IS in actuality a helmet and this adds an air of mystery and menace simply because we don't know what's under there.
With a rubber face, there is no mystery. It's the alien's face. More likely than not, it won't be mouthing words properly and won't be emoting. "But aliens might emote differently" I hear you say. Fine. I still think he looks stupid in his cowboy outfit. Or perhaps you think Ady should put in months of work making the face more animated. Well I hate to break it to you, but adding expressions to a Duros, or blinks to a Rodian are one thing, but animating full speech needs existing puppeteering/animatronics to use as a starting point to look good. CG mouth replacements are a lot of work and as far as I know, beyond the scope of this edit.
The person wearing the Duros mask can speak as normal to get the mouth of the mask to make some movement. Ady can then later add in the extra articulation as he did for Yoda in ESB:R. I know easier said than done, but I do believe it can be done convincingly enough and the extra effort to go this route would go a very long way. And who knows what all available resources will be for him by this time, to do things he never thought he could do before.
So because I dislike a cartoon character, that means I'm closed minded. Lol. Ok. You've convinced me. I'll stop looking for excuses and allow the light of Cad Bane into my life. ;)
No, it's because you still don't seem to want to imagine the possibility for a character from TCW (who you originally don't like) to be made to work into a viable and interesting character in a live-action PT film (who you would possibly then like). Just because at first it doesn't sound like a good idea to you, doesn't mean there won't be something you can take away from it and like in the end.