The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 51

One film is too short to take in all these endings and remain plausible.

Jabba, Vader and the Emperor have been there since the first film so it makes sense that the last film is where their journey ends.

Yoda was introduced in the previous film. In the current cut of the movie his death is frankly ricdiculous (essentially holding on to the beginning of the second act so he can die mid-sentence without finishing his training of Luke).

But Fett too? (and Piett and the Empire)

Fett is a bounty hunter. Unless he has some reason to be in the film (hunting bounty) he serves no purpose and his death compounds the implausible convenience of all these loose ends being tide up at the same time.

Having him taken down by Han (for example) would be more dignified for Fett but betray the character arc of his polar opposite Han.

Anyway my feelings on the topic are documented enough. It's Ady's project not mine. I hope he manages to pull off the changes effectively.

Even if Jabba is a character, who initially was in Star Wars, the side-plot somehow distracts from the main goal: to end the civil war.

the palace adventure alone would be worth a film, if made in a plausible form ;-)

so it is a thing that should either be like in tv-shows today (or James Bond movie)  the socalled "cold open" or leave it in shadows like Han's quote from ESB, when he spoke to Leia about his encounter on Ord Mantell ...

I rather start off with Luke on Dagobah, finishing his training, Yoda passing on the flame, when he has a vision of the future (maybe a talk with Obi-Wan) - THEN he could go and save his friends, this time, Luke is ready!

Boba Fett is not as important to the plot as some like to have him, that's why we got some bad stuff in the PT - so better fix it here and keep his memory clean, in an Sergio Leone way!

This thread is "unofficial", so no word from Adywan on what he has in his cards yet, he could change his mind on a many things he told some time ago, so the game is still open and even if he has another vision for his edit, THIS thread and ideas could help other editors to make their vision a better one, so please be more open to strange ideas and don't shoot with cannons at pigeons ;-)

So after I watched this new updated clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

which is an hommage to the great videogame TIE Fighter (also liked to play X-Wing back then) - too bad the music and sound effects are a little off

this preview with better audio shows what could be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tBM2ZfncoU 

Well, the idea I have is to start RotJ with Luke on Dagobah and then switching to a location in space, where a rebel fleet is intercepted by imperials (or it could be otherwise, so as to why and how later the plans/information got into their hands).

It would show, there is still war and maybe how the balance has shifted, this are things in the original not so clear shown, the rebel fleet seemed very small and not fit to attack anything bigger (but at this time, if we take into account the rebellion grew from movie to movie - a significant part of the galaxy should stand against the empire)

Later the focus could shift again to a slow and more dialogue scene, maybe on Coruscant or "Endor" - from there the plot could go to whatever possible way ...

I Thought I would post this here as I suppose it is a suggestion for ESB and although I have absolutely no hard feelings on it, it is simply a concept and for that matter it is not finished audio but a rough concept edit.

Fact of the matter is, I am not even sure about it and I am not nagging for ideas but thought I would share it. But as far as a concept goes and considering you lot have a Han in Carbonite prop, I thought I would share the concept with you which was inspired from the shooting script of ESB. And if you wanted to perhaps have an extra shot of that Prop that is in ESB then I can think of no better opportunity. It's Cheap but simple and fairly effective.

Han aboard Slave 1

http://vimeo.com/123446198

The main point is the only reason I got this idea was to try to improve emotional impact of the failing to get to slave 1 in time would / does it work or not???

Don't know what it means for music cues either but as far as having a quick bit of fun yeah it is what it is.

EDIT: Theatrical mix might be more correct and SE mix is not a proper restored music cue??....  Again I don't know for sure....

hm, it would get more tension, if we see Fett checking the status on the carbonite, like Lando did before, then the viewer could hope our heroes are just in time to rescue Han ...

but only showing the block, well it isn't that meaningful, not sure how it was scripted, so maybe there is something one editor likes to try (see above)

I am looking at it with a bit of an open mind because it would appear that the actual scene where Han is Loaded on to Slave 1 has a missing scene... This explains in the Gout the music for the Slave 1 scene being screwed up and cut short

It was meant to Have Fett climbing a ladder and saying "Seal it"

Also the whole Slave 1 sequence was meant to take place Just before the heroes ran through the door to try and save him from being carted off so it was moved because of script revision.

The special edition sorts the music problem out but also (This is the part I am not sure about...) Perhaps slows down the score so it joins the light saber duel and was perhaps never originally intended to?.

I was trying to sneak in something akin to what was in the script just before they get to the landing bay as a kind of 50/50... Half way house bit of both.

I was trying to show the Carbonite shrouded in the darkness of the cargo bay with the lights on the carbonite block would be the only visible light once the cargo door shut. But yeah bit dull perhaps... I was trying to get the emotional connection of Han and Leia. Han shrouded in the Dark like what will happen to him....

What if, in ROTS:R, Vader's armor resembled the ANH:R armor (with the blinking lights and black eyes, but still the ANH style). This way, you can at least justify the different armor by saying he got new armor between ANH and ESB. Just a thought.

I would prefer it to look more like Ralph McQuarrie's earlier Vader designs so A) the idea of an evolving armor goes back further and B) they get on screen because they are freakin cool.

^This!

I am a BIG fan of McQuarries art, it should have been used more in the PT - well, at least it got recognition in "Clone Wars" and "Rebels" ...

brimforge said:

hm, it would get more tension, if we see Fett checking the status on the carbonite, like Lando did before, then the viewer could hope our heroes are just in time to rescue Han ...

but only showing the block, well it isn't that meaningful, not sure how it was scripted, so maybe there is something one editor likes to try (see above)

 Check my link again... I have re-done the whole sequence...

Now I think I agree with you... But I did not have the resources to add it... But what about Boba fett pushing a button to close the cargo bay? A close up on his Glove or something?

The other thing is, it was really nagging me so I had to check the music cues... And I can't make up my mind if the special edition is 100% correct I think it may be lagging slightly behind where it should be....

Anyway enjoy the re-done version on the original link it sells the idea a lot better and C3-PO no longer screams "look out! behind you" as I think this is something else that was ruining the scene quite badly. I have had a go at trying to make it more emotive but it needs a lot more work and I won't do another one it's a much better effort though.

ok, now this runs more smoothly ;-)

and yes, a short clip of Fett pushing some buttons would add to the sequence

but in the end, I think Adywan will keep the cinematic cut or do something else ...

at least it's a nice alternative for other editors

LOVE the idea of a McQuarrie Vader in ROTS!

brimforge said:

ok, now this runs more smoothly ;-)

and yes, a short clip of Fett pushing some buttons would add to the sequence

but in the end, I think Adywan will keep the cinematic cut or do something else ...

at least it's a nice alternative for other editors

 Oh yes absolutely... And you know unless you get your hands dirty you will never be able to come to any conclusions....

This is what has hit me today like a slap in the face with a wet kipper....

Now again I am not 100% (leaning heavily and confidently) but I went looking for Fett climbing his ladder and I think I found him. I think it was once in this order... I have read about Kershner cut the film then Lucus did a cut because he disagreed with it and then everybody said your cut makes no sense George so Kershner had to cut it again...  Anyway not a suggestion but consider it a window into what it was perhaps originally intended to be or was planned to be.... I still have a open mind on this part of the film. But I share a small but perhaps significant point about this part. Tempo Changes are allowed are they not? :)

Whoops might be 2 bars behind... Basically where I put the image of Han being locked in the cargo bay in my fun edit is the cue for the door opening.

This restored cue video from starwarz.com is totally incorrect... It does not take into account the scenes in a different order or gaps with no music. So there was a lead into the Slave 1 scene scene hmmmm.

http://vimeo.com/77064509

That would be an ideal outcome, if both scenes are corrected before ...

=> Solo shoots first!

and NO stepping on Jabba's tail (not sure if Fett is too much a fan-service)

nightstalkerpoet said:

What if, in ANH.... Through seamless branching, you get a choice? You either get the Jabba scene OR you get the Greedo scene. The Jabba scene actually works for the most part if you don't include the Greedo scene.

 Only works if you change Jabba's subtitles so that he doesn't reference "frying poor greedo".

My preferred situation is to change the subs so Jabba says something that adds to the narrative of the story rather than repeating and then have it as an option, with the tail stepping removed, the colours fixed and Fett away on biz.

ray_afraid said:

brimforge said:

(not sure if Fett is too much a fan-service)

 He looks right into the camera! He might as well pull his helmet back and wink!

The only characters to look directly into the camera are SE additions. Bobba, the harry big-mouth signing guy and Snootles.
And it's stupid every time.

 I was questioning Fett's appearance as a whole in that scene - not just him looking through the 4th wall (which is enough to cut that moment!)

a "singer" looking straight into the camera, as if the viewer is part of the audience, is ok for me - just not the SE creatures ...

Han's character was bent down in the SE and following (official) edits - and all of them are ridiculous, because it's self-defense, he isn't cold-blooded (as Lucas in one interview "explained")

keeping both scenes makes only sense, if Jabba has new info - so choose between one or alter both ?

Gotta say, I prefer my Jabba referenced in conversation, building him up, until his reveal in ROTJ. It works perfectly and opens ROTJ on a note of suspense. The original plan WAS to have included him in that one tiny scene in ANH, but I think it would have ruined that beautiful sense of dread than one shares with Leia and Co. as Han is taken away by Boba to face his fate at the hands of his nemesis Jabba the Hutt..........and that same feeling of foreboding as everyone heads for Jabba's palace at the beginning of ROTJ to rescue him.

fishmanlee said:

Ronster said:

I am looking at it with a bit of an open mind because it would appear that the actual scene where Han is Loaded on to Slave 1 has a missing scene... This explains in the Gout the music for the Slave 1 scene being screwed up and cut short

It was meant to Have Fett climbing a ladder and saying "Seal it"

Also the whole Slave 1 sequence was meant to take place Just before the heroes ran through the door to try and save him from being carted off so it was moved because of script revision.

The special edition sorts the music problem out but also (This is the part I am not sure about...) Perhaps slows down the score so it joins the light saber duel and was perhaps never originally intended to?.

 It was.

 Yes... And although The missing scene I pointed out will sort out the music cues to a point in terms of timing them correctly, there could be a bit more to this story yet to be told.

Bear with me... The Chinese Puzzle has the missing square in the correct place but still could have not the complete picture yet....