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The difference is that some people prove it through their actual skill and high standards of craftsmanship. ;)

I hope everyone has a Blessed Good Friday and Easter Sunday. :)

The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.

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mverta said:

Well that makes sense, inasmuch as the whole thing is a joke.

Of course :-P

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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Problem is: As soon as you're paid, you're considered a "professional". It doesn't have much to do with dedication or skill. That's why I never understand people, who read about Harmy's or Mike's work, saying "if these guys are doing it, why don't they just let some highly-paid professionals do it even better?"

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77FN said:

Some of the ON was destroyed for good too, according to this article:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/once-lost-star-wars-related-short-to-screen-for-the-first-time-in-33-years/3/

"Tanaka: I remember when we were working on the Star Wars restoration, that was a different process. I think we optically recreated interpositives. But in order to do this, it went through some kind of warm chemical bath cleansing. The weird thing about Star Wars was that it was made up of different film stocks, so it went through this bath and they didn’t know what would come out on the other end...

 

Tanaka: There’s a space battle shot and a close-up on Hans Solo, and the original negative is coming out of this cleaning solution and it’s just acetate.

Parker: It’s all clear. Oh no, did the bath dissolve it?

Tanaka: Yeah, it dissolved it, depending on the film stock."

 I get the impression that they are referring to the shot where Han Solo is in the turret gunner seat and the frame is rocked side-to-side as an optically-printed animated effect as the attacking TIE Fighters blast away at the Millennium Falcon. Pretty sure that's how it plays in the GOUT, anyway. That shot could have been printed to CRI from camera negative and then the CRI subsequently faded away to clear years before it even reached that cleaning bath. If that's the case, the actual OCN for that shot - without the animated shake - might have been in the same faded-but-usable condition as much as the rest of the OCN.

If your crop is water, what, exactly, would you dust your crops with?

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camroncamera said:

77FN said:

Some of the ON was destroyed for good too, according to this article:


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/once-lost-star-wars-related-short-to-screen-for-the-first-time-in-33-years/3/


"Tanaka: I remember when we were working on the Star Wars restoration, that was a different process. I think we optically recreated interpositives. But in order to do this, it went through some kind of warm chemical bath cleansing. The weird thing about Star Wars was that it was made up of different film stocks, so it went through this bath and they didn’t know what would come out on the other end...

 

Tanaka: There’s a space battle shot and a close-up on Hans Solo, and the original negative is coming out of this cleaning solution and it’s just acetate.

Parker: It’s all clear. Oh no, did the bath dissolve it?

Tanaka: Yeah, it dissolved it, depending on the film stock."

I get the impression that they are referring to the shot where Han Solo is in the turret gunner seat and the frame is rocked side-to-side as an optically-printed animated effect as the attacking TIE Fighters blast away at the Millennium Falcon. Pretty sure that's how it plays in the GOUT, anyway. That shot could have been printed to CRI from camera negative and then the CRI subsequently faded away to clear years before it even reached that cleaning bath. If that's the case, the actual OCN for that shot - without the animated shake - might have been in the same faded-but-usable condition as much as the rest of the OCN.

No, David Tanaka is obviously talking about Hans Solo.

But seriously, the optical camera shakes could very much be what he is referring to, both the one on Han and Luke was redone for the Special Edition.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Wazzles said:

mverta said:

X-Wings Dive towards the Death Star

_Mike

 Do you physically clean the prints before you scan them or is all your work done digitally?

 I can't answer for MVerta, but several years back I worked in a telecine bay and almost all the film we received (mostly 35mm and Super 16mm OCN from local commercial productions) went on the film cleaning machine before going up on the scanner. This film cleaner, however, had no bath. It used fluffy dacron rollers moistened with isopropyl alcohol. Even after cleaning, the freshly shot and processed negative would still have some dirt and debris. The scanner itself had slightly tacky rubberized rollers to further aid dirt removal as the footage rolled. After each reel or two was transferred, the dirty tacky rollers would be replaced with a freshly washed set. 

I can only imagine how much embedded dirt there is on 35-year-old projection print. I wouldn't even know what method of chemical cleaning - if any - would be safe for a Tech IB print.

If your crop is water, what, exactly, would you dust your crops with?

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The prints are cleaned ultrasonically, but still you have to be gentle.  With the IR dirtmap from the scan and multiple prints, the digital clean-up is tedious, but seamless.

_Mike

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That you just uploaded. Reminds me some of the silver-metal color grading school I hinted to from Terminator Salvation. I'm sure you familar with it was quiet hyped when that movie was around some 2006 and color grading was becoming that new crazy thing.

Another possibility is the darkness introduces some 3d effect when viewed on LCD displays (yes I have one shitty LCD display, god I miss my good old solid CRT, I think they're still unbeatable.)

There are no CRT anymore. Same with mobile phones. Can't even buy one with classic keypads. Because business takes away all freedom. And tags it freedom, individuality and personality.

So that very thing you've just taken away from us? blah-blah, I can't hear you anymore.

btw: I like that restoration. It makes it look like a well lit working space, which makes sense. Reminds me of movies from the 60-70s where they literally spent every dollar to light every inch on screen. I love bright colorful pictures. Especially Technicolor era

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Not to derail the thread, but I really liked the colors of Terminator Salvation and if I recall, they actually achieved those colors photo-chemically, not in digital grading.

And to get back on topic, Mike, I don't know if the color-space conversion has something to do with it, but in many of your videos, including this one, I feel like in your restoration the reds are a bit biased towards magenta/purple - in this example, the colors in the blu-ray are undeniably horrible, mainly due to over-saturation (yeah, the pink highlights are a thing to behold), but I just feel like the hue of the red stripe on the x-wing is closer a true red (albeit extremely boosted and over-saturated) on the BD.

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Augh!  The Bluray looks horrific.  Holy crappe . . .

Mike, even with color-space conversion errors and the color correction not being finalized, yours looks a million times better.  Seriously.  What were they thinking?

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More correctly, WERE they thinking?

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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I've always hated the colors on the 2004 master, but seeing it in that night and day comparison made me sick to my stomach. I literally need some tums after looking at that. I can understand filters, and color adjustments, but that shit doesn't even look right. Who thought that shot looked good with those colors?

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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mverta said:

Happy Easter.

Speaking of Lord Christ Almighty... take a look at this shot:

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_Mike

LOL The best thing about the video is Mike trying to overcome the awful shock that the horrible BD monstrosity causes on him, he went speechless at least 3 times.

Nice job btw!!

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I'm sure Mike spends more time working on one scene than they spent working on the entire film @_@

Remember, 2004 was a rush job with a strict time limit (what was it? Like 24 days?). The BluRays, it seems like they only bothered to grease the squeakiest wheels.

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BuddhaMaster said:

There are no CRT anymore. Same with mobile phones. Can't even buy one with classic keypads. Because business takes away all freedom. And tags it freedom, individuality and personality.

 Business takes away what doesn't make money.  They don't do it just to annoy you.

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TV's Frink said:

BuddhaMaster said:

There are no CRT anymore. Same with mobile phones. Can't even buy one with classic keypads. Because business takes away all freedom. And tags it freedom, individuality and personality.

 Business takes away what doesn't make money.  They don't do it just to annoy you.

 Not annoy, neccessarily. They do it to take away your freedom. They're as guilty as every person who lived before CRT TVs and T9 phones and therefore didn't sell those things. All those dudes hated freedom, too.

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Yeah, it's terrible. You don't even have the freedom to go and see a silent black and white movie in the cinema. It's all those damned color talkies nowadays.

And don't get me started on music, you don't even have the freedom to buy your music on a phonograph cylinder any more, it's all on those internets now.

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I'm still looking for an 8-Track of the Tron Legacy soundtrack.

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mverta said:

Happy Easter.

Speaking of Lord Christ Almighty... take a look at this shot:

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_Mike

 Hi Mike,

Very nice and funny comparison.  Where you comment on the red part of the blu-ray looking like a comb are you sure that is not simply an artifact of 4:2:0 chroma sub-sampling which is required in blu-ray? I notice stuff like that all the time whenever there is red in a scene on a blu-ray or DVD and it drives me crazy.  It's especially noticeable on red lights like brake lights and neon signs.