Some Random Bullshit I Don't Approve Of (was: Dom's Atheist Thread) — Page 2

Darth Id said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Here's a news flash -- prehistoric animals were no more violent and savage than animals living today.

 That is to say, extremely, very, incredibly violent and savage.

Which has no bearing on whether God or gods exist or not.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Darth Id said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Here's a news flash -- prehistoric animals were no more violent and savage than animals living today.

 That is to say, extremely, very, incredibly violent and savage.

Which has no bearing on whether God or gods exist or not.

 Why not?  If "God" is such a sick fuck that he gets off on designing mutually antagonistic creatures and pitting his playthings against each other, isn't It really a malevolent force anyway, and therefore better described as a devil than a "god"?

Darth Id said:

Why not?  If "God" is such a sick fuck that he gets off on designing mutually antagonistic creatures and pitting his playthings against each other, isn't It really a malevolent force anyway, and therefore better described as a devil than a "god"?

Since I don't subscribe to intelligent design, I don't believe any hypothetical God even designed any creatures in the first place. God may have created the universe and the laws that govern it, but the creatures therein are a product of natural law; animals are the way they are because that's how evolution made them, not because God wanted to see living killing machines go at one another.

And no, I don't think that even designing the natural laws to work that was is evil, at least no more evil than a scientist allowing penicillin to eradicate the bacteria in a petri dish is evil.

So your god doesn't get off on it, he just doesn't give a shit.  Gotcha.  Whatevs.  Bored as fuck now.

Darth Id said:

So your god doesn't get off on it, he just doesn't give a shit.

First of all, I don't have a God. Though I'd like to believe in a deity, I haven't had any personal experiences to convince me that one exists, so I remain uncomfortably agnostic.

As for the not giving a shit part, perhaps that's true. Or perhaps God -- being an infinitely non-human entity far beyond our comprehension -- has concepts of good and evil, pleasure and pain that are completely alien to ours.

Gotcha.  Whatevs.  Bored as fuck now.

In other words, if God doesn't fit into a stereotypical caricature, you don't want to talk about Them. God either has to be a bloodthirsty tyrant or a hippie pacifist; any other concepts of God -- especially concepts of God that paint human mores as finite/trivial -- aren't worth discussing.

Darth Id said:

So your god doesn't get off on it, he just doesn't give a crap.

Awfully presumptuous to state so simplistic what God does or doesn't "get off" on.  However, it's quite clear that you get off on spoiling other people's cherished religious celebrations behind the anonymity of the Internet.  You are a brave soul, and a bright chap too!

Gotcha.  Whatevs.  Bored as heck now.

 Finally!

Ryan McAvoy said:

darth_ender said:

I daresay I am smarter than many atheists.  But I also try to maintain a sense of humility

Not the best constructed set of words Ender ;-)

Yeah, I knew that'd be controversial.  Let me rephrase.  I am confident that I am genuinely more intelligent than, say, 70% of the world, atheists and theists alike.  But in spite of what is above average intelligence, I also know there is much to learn from everyone, and I try not to let what I believe is likely factual interfere with the equally factual truth that I can learn something from everyone, even those perhaps less intelligent, and definitely from those who disagree.

darth_ender said:

There seems to be this arrogance that fills the hearts of so many of them... that somehow they are smarter than their foolish theistic peers.

God cannot be proved, he/she just has to be literally "Taken on faith", so I think some non-believers see that as a foolish thing. But they are forgetting that God can't be disproved either. So it's not about intelligence, it's about belief.

 I understand that atheists have a hard time taking things on faith.  But there are so many who consider even the possibility ignorance, while in fact doing that very same thing when they hear their professor say that some brilliant scientists did some research that proves something amazing.  Did they do the research?  Did they even read about it firsthand?  No, too many atheists are condescending ignoramuses.

No, no, no, no, no! There is all together too much talk about "God" and theism in this thread. I will not have it!

Don't we already have an atheism thread?

Don't we already have an atheism thread?

It's nice to see that my phone's double posting feature still works.

It's nice to see that my phone's double posting feature still works.

darth_ender said:

Darth Id said:

So your god doesn't get off on it, he just doesn't give a crap.

Awfully god-damned presumptuous to state so simplistic [sic] what Baal does or doesn't "bust a fat-ass nut" on.  However, it's sure as shit that you get off on shittin' all over other people's comforting delusions behind the anonymity of your "Back to Mono" pin.  You are a cunt-smacking bitch-licker, and filthy cur too!

Gotcha.  Whatevs.  Bored as heck now.

 FUUUUUUUUCK!

 Hey, I appreciate your censoring my inadvertent lapses into "gutter French," but maybe you should think of cleaning up your own sticky little typing fingers?

dclarkg said:

Possessed said:

It's really too bad you're forced to come here and post.  I wish there was some way we could be free to just stay away from Off-Topic if we didn't like it.

 I don't see why, the fact that this is a off-topic-non-moderated area makes is perfectly fine... and the ''atheist-pictures'' touch was neat.

 I regret to inform you that you have wholly and entirely misunderstood my post.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Or perhaps God -- being an infinitely non-human entity far beyond our comprehension -- has concepts of good and evil, pleasure and pain that are completely alien to ours.

 

In other words, if God doesn't fit into a stereotypical caricature, you don't want to talk about Them. God either has to be a bloodthirsty tyrant or a hippie pacifist; any other concepts of God -- especially concepts of God that paint human mores as finite/trivial -- aren't worth discussing.

 No the point is that if everyone has his own unique, idiosyncratic "concept" of "God", then nobody actually believes in the same thing.  Everyone just fabricates his own cosmic ghost-blankie and calls it "God".  It's like if you said "I love chocolate ice cream," and I said "I also love chocolate ice cream!" but actually what nobody knows is that at night, in my basement, I secretly call a squashed cockroach "chocolate ice cream" and pray to it.  We ain't talking about the same thing, and it's utterly meaningless for us to start a "Chocolate Ice Cream Lovers' Club."

If "God" is a "non-human entity far beyond our comprehension" with "concepts of good and evil alien to ours" then how in Baal's name can anyone feel righteous about praising, worshipping and perseverating on it?  Whatever "beliefs" they have about it are just trivial inanities that are entirely incorrect and distorted by a puny lack of perspective.  In that case, you've preserved "God" as a hypothesis, but entirely divested it of anything that makes it meaningful to the insignificant Earth-creatures that subscribe to it.  Religious weirdos don't want a god at all if it isn't "good" in the same way they conceive of it, and if it doesn't intercede in the material world to work its strange designs, and if it doesn't love and care about them, its unworthy creations. 

Darth Id said:

darth_ender said:

Darth Id said:

So your god doesn't get off on it, he just doesn't give a crap.

Awfully god-damned presumptuous to state so simplistic [sic] what Baal does or doesn't "bust a fat-ass nut" on.  However, it's sure as shit that you get off on shittin' all over other people's comforting delusions behind the anonymity of your "Back to Mono" pin.  You are a cunt-smacking bitch-licker, and filthy cur too!

Gotcha.  Whatevs.  Bored as heck now.

 FUUUUUUUUCK!

 Hey, I appreciate your censoring my inadvertent lapses into "gutter French," but maybe you should think of cleaning up your own sticky little typing fingers?

 Very clever.

Darth Id said:

darth_ender said:

Darth Id said:

So your god doesn't get off on it, he just doesn't give a crap.

Awfully god-damned presumptuous to state so simplistic [sic] what Baal does or doesn't "bust a fat-ass nut" on.  However, it's sure as shit that you get off on shittin' all over other people's comforting delusions behind the anonymity of your "Back to Mono" pin.  You are a cunt-smacking bitch-licker, and filthy cur too!

Gotcha.  Whatevs.  Bored as heck now.

NUUUUUUUUUTS!

 Hey, I appreciate your censoring my inadvertent lapses into "gutter French," but maybe you should think of cleaning up your own sticky little typing fingers?

 Funny how you take issue with my censoring (as I'd rather not see those words more than necessary) and completely ignore what I say.  You really are a clever chap, aren't you?

Yes.

It's times like this I'm glad I'm not an atheist.  Although I must admit that my curiosity got the better of me.