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THX 1138 "preservations" + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released) — Page 78

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SilverWook said:

Ditto. I've never heard THEX except as said by LUH. Her pronunciation might be a term of affection?

 I was just interested, I heard an interview where George Lucas' mother pronounces the movie as THEX throughout it, so I was wondering if that was how George referred to it at 'home'.

It got me thinking about how the general public pronounced it.

I remember the Australian band INXS (In Excess) being introduced as 'inks' on stage once.

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poita said:

I was just interested, I heard an interview where George Lucas' mother pronounces the movie as THEX throughout it, so I was wondering if that was how George referred to it at 'home'.

It got me thinking about how the general public pronounced it.

I remember the Australian band INXS (In Excess) being introduced as 'inks' on stage once.

Interesting, what interview (documentary) did you see?

Btw, have you guys come to a decision yet regarding the '71 print scan? I would personally suggest Spaced Ranger if it comes to color correction of the print but he himself may not agree with me of course. I just thought it would at least reduce workload off your shoulders, Poita. What's the plan, guys? THX-Vinegar Edition.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

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Re the Vinegar Edition, it is up to the print owner.

I'm more than happy for anyone to take a shot at it.

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This would be great to work on, but it would probably be only piecemeal with me.

Previously, I had to bow out of msycamore's original project when time constraints hit me after several months delay. Fortunately, AntcuFaalb was there to pick up the gauntlet and was ready with end-to-end improvements.

[@ AntcuFaalb - There's only so much that can be done with laserdisc, but I've been impressed at your approach tantalizingly revealed in assorted threads. When you've finished, I hope you will detail your finalized procedure and equipment chain for those of us who wish to duplicate your results. Seeing your raw cap(s) and finished capture would be awesome! Any time-frame on this?]

Anyway, as things haven't let up on my end, I can only do baby-steps. As a first step, I was thinking of interactive cataloging -- an idea from some guy dreaming of choco-lotta coffee (... oh, wait, that was me). Ah, the best ideas are from hunger. Stay hungry everybody!  :D

So this "THX-Vinegar Edition" ... it's pronounced "sexy"? ... in a Transylvanian lisp?

If we're talking vinegar, we should at least hope for a proper scan at first bite ... I mean, at first chance!

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Until poita and I can work out some way to fix the red fade, I'll be releasing a B&W 1080p ProRes Proxy encode of the scan. The raws will always be available via HDD->HDD copy, of course.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Spaced Ranger said:

[@ AntcuFaalb - There's only so much that can be done with laserdisc, but I've been impressed at your approach tantalizingly revealed in assorted threads. When you've finished, I hope you will detail your finalized procedure and equipment chain for those of us who wish to duplicate your results. Seeing your raw cap(s) and finished capture would be awesome! Any time-frame on this?]

It's funny you mention this now. I plan to re-capture all 3 this weekend with my new sexy Leitch DPS-575.

The full chain is now: Runco LJR-II =(BNC)=> Leitch DPS-575 =(SDI)=> Blackmagic UltraStudio Mini Recorder =(Thunderbolt) => Late 2012 Mac mini.

The 3D comb filter in the DPS-575 is amazing.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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AntcuFaalb said:

Until poita and I can work out some way to fix the red fade, I'll be releasing a B&W 1080p ProRes Proxy encode of the scan. The raws will always be available via HDD->HDD copy, of course.

 That is fixable though? I would hate to think nothing can be done with the print considering what it cost to obtain.

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And you post in a completely unrelated thread to complain about it?

Calling the owner of the site names is also a bad idea.

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AntcuFaalb said:

The full chain is now: Runco LJR-II =(BNC)=> Leitch DPS-575 =(SDI)=> Blackmagic UltraStudio Mini Recorder =(Thunderbolt) => Late 2012 Mac mini. The 3D comb filter in the DPS-575 is amazing.

  
               [... pardon my drool ...]

If you have the time/inclination while working through this, it would be great if could you save snippets/screenshots that spotlight how the individual hardware/processes improve the final assembly ... for the thread, of course.  :)

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skoal said:

I'm signing off from this forum because Jay gave me a warning for behavior for personally attacking someone here, which is not cool because there is no personal attack in t his post.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/RoboCop-Theatrical-Version-Preservation/post/759231/#TopicPost759231

Note, if someone isn't personally attacking someone, you shouldn't claim they are. It just makes you look stoopid!

 WTF?

'kay, thanks. I'm going to go post in "The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly" thread to tell them my thoughts on you leaving. That OK?

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SilverWook (how did I just notice now that your initials are SW??), there is definitely a lot that can and will be done to restore the colour from your print.

The idea of popping a B&W encode out quickly is that it will let people look at the differences in the original 1971 release vs other releases, and the B&W is easier on the eye than the red.

I won't have time to do a colour recovery on it for a couple of months, but it looks great in B&W, and anyone that wants to play with the colour in the meantime is more than welcome to.

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Hehe, the initials were completely unintentional when I chose the name.

Thanks for the explanation, even though the cat's out of the bag on who owns the print. I fear a certain bearded gentleman in plaid flannel will be coming after me. Now I know how my pal Jaxxon feels.  ;)

I wonder if the sort of color video voodoo the Dr. Who restoration team has done with episodes  that exist as black and white prints could be possible with this?

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Sorry, I misread your post and thought you outed yourself!

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Ownership of the 16mm ex service prints is actually not a problem, 35mm, not so much...

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SilverWook said:

I wonder if the sort of color video voodoo the Dr. Who restoration team has done with episodes  that exist as black and white prints could be possible with this?

Unfortunately, no. IIRC, the BBC team relied heavily on the fact that the video was transferred via a composite medium by using information gleaned from the dot crawl to figure out which color caused the interference in the luma (B&W) channel in the first place.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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Anyone ever see Nineteen Eighty-Four ...

   

... and the Advanced Edit link for posts ... ? (Don't wait too long for The Internet to catch up.)

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poita said:

Sorry, I misread your post and thought you outed yourself!

*blinks*  It's no secret that I'm a Wookiee. ;)

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AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the sort of color video voodoo the Dr. Who restoration team has done with episodes  that exist as black and white prints could be possible with this?

Unfortunately, no. IIRC, the BBC team relied heavily on the fact that the video was transferred via a composite medium by using information gleaned from the dot crawl to figure out which color caused the interference in the luma (B&W) channel in the first place.

 Actually, I was thinking of how they took the color signal from a fan's Betamax recordings and combined it with the monochrome 16mm.

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the sort of color video voodoo the Dr. Who restoration team has done with episodes  that exist as black and white prints could be possible with this?

Unfortunately, no. IIRC, the BBC team relied heavily on the fact that the video was transferred via a composite medium by using information gleaned from the dot crawl to figure out which color caused the interference in the luma (B&W) channel in the first place.

 Actually, I was thinking of how they took the color signal from a fan's Betamax recordings and combined it with the monochrome 16mm.

Ah, I didn't know about that. Cool!

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the sort of color video voodoo the Dr. Who restoration team has done with episodes  that exist as black and white prints could be possible with this?

Unfortunately, no. IIRC, the BBC team relied heavily on the fact that the video was transferred via a composite medium by using information gleaned from the dot crawl to figure out which color caused the interference in the luma (B&W) channel in the first place.

 Actually, I was thinking of how they took the color signal from a fan's Betamax recordings and combined it with the monochrome 16mm.

 Yes, this is quite possible to do, basically you would register the 16mm print to the other source of choice (laserdisc, DVD whatever) and then you could take the luma from the 16mm and overlay the chroma from the other source, it works a treat.

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the sort of color video voodoo the Dr. Who restoration team has done with episodes  that exist as black and white prints could be possible with this?

Unfortunately, no. IIRC, the BBC team relied heavily on the fact that the video was transferred via a composite medium by using information gleaned from the dot crawl to figure out which color caused the interference in the luma (B&W) channel in the first place.

 Actually, I was thinking of how they took the color signal from a fan's Betamax recordings and combined it with the monochrome 16mm.

 And in recent years, they actually used the technique AntcuFaalb was thinking of (chroma dot restoration), even when they did use the betamax chroma. The chroma dot color wasn't kept in the final DVD video in those cases, but it gave them a reference to de-warp the 16mm and align to the video color. :) Other releases were indeed restored only from chroma dots found on the black and white 16mm.

details: http://www.purpleville.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rtwebsite/TheClawsOfAxosRedux.htm

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poita said:

I was just interested, I heard an interview where George Lucas' mother pronounces the movie as THEX throughout it, so I was wondering if that was how George referred to it at 'home'.

It got me thinking about how the general public pronounced it.

I remember the Australian band INXS (In Excess) being introduced as 'inks' on stage once.

Interesting, what interview (documentary) did you see?

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But we'll never find out because, while trying a quick search for that interview (which failed), I came across a pronouncement by Mr. George Lucas, himself ..

George Lucas said (Star Wars: The Last Battle, Vanity Fair, 2/2005):

"From now on, I’m going to make movies like THX that nobody wants to see, that aren’t successful, and everybody will say I’ve lost my touch."

This THX 1138 thread and all other THX 1138 threads, everywhere, are hereby disbanded. Everybody ... go home ...

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Still here? Good!   :D   I wanted to help poita allay SilverWook's concern over film fade.

Using the image comparison from page 71, I took the un-retouched 16mm pan&scan scan and the DVD screen-cap ..

.. and up-sized the DVD (with which to use the Hue and Saturation color components) to match the 16mm (with which to use the Luminance for it's resolution). Next, to work on just the 16mm's picture area, all it's junk/blank area was masked out (to black).

In a paint program (as I also easily accomplished in an Avisynth script for the Colorized Classics thread) the two now-equally-sized images were split into their Hue-Saturation-Luminance components. The DVD's H-S was recombined with the 16mm's L. After removing the mask, the resulting 16mm frame is amazing (!) considering there was no other corrective processing!

I normally would choose the Laserdisc over the DVD or Blu-ray for coloring. As the DVD and 16mm were already aligned in the previous image comparison, I just went with those as a proof-of-concept.

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Thanks, Spaced Ranger. :)

Where were you in '77?