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Star Wars GOUT in HD using super resolution algorithm (* unfinished project *) — Page 4

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Here is a sample of the PAL GOUT upscale SR-v2.

Update: Clips removed to make space for new clips.

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Really interested in this, always a good thing to see attempts to make the OT look better on our modern day devices. Your clips do look good but lets face it its never going to look as good as an actual capture of film will look. I would be really interested to see an upscale of the bluray. We all agree that its really only 720p res so I wonder would this programme bring out more detail?

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Here is a test of the super resolution upscaling on the 2011 Star Wars blu ray. The original sample is 1080p and has been resized to 540p at 8000kps. Subsequently the lower resolution sample has been upscaled to 1080p with the super resolution algorithm.

Update: there is an audio synching problem with the video files. I will fix them and put them back up.

Below are some screenshot comparisions between the original 1080p, the super resolution upscale, and the precise bicubic upscale.

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Sheet man I was typing as you replied with this! Do you have to downscale it first or can you just run the sr on the full hd bluray?

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Here is another screenshot comparison. From these examples it is very clear the super resolution is able to reconstruct texture in the skin and clothes, hair, eye lashes and other details. To say that it is only acts as a noise filter is shortchanging many years of scientific research, in my opinion. 

1080p original vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118506

Precise bicubic (A = -0.75) vs super resolution

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118507

1080p original vs precise bicubic

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118822

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@lpd You can apply the algorithm to the 1080p original. In that case you would get a 4K ultra high definition video. I would expect it would be about as accurate to the true 4K film (if it were ever released) as the 1080p upscale is to the true original 1080p transfer, provided the 1080p transfer is of good enough quality.

I guess once the powers that be decide to give us the blu ray's of the theatrical editions, this is the next project in line: a 4K upscale for those of us with a UHD TV. 

The great thing is that anyone can try it for themselves, and it's done in a few hours. The infognition software has a free demo for 30 days with full functionality. 

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Rather than a downscale then sr example, can you do a bluray to sr 4k then downscale comparison?

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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You could try that, but I would say that a 1080p video from a true 4K source will always be better than one from a super resolution 4K upscale. Although you can reconstruct a good part of the detail with super resolution, some information is always lost in the downscale that can never be retrieved. The 4K upscale from 1080p would contain more detail than the 1080p original, though. 

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Your samples look great - do notice the improved detail.  A worthy entry into the GOUT wars.  (Can you kick off Empire while this thread is going?  Thanks) ;]

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Thanks, I'm working on upscaling the NTSC GOUT. It's looking pretty good. Star Wars is being upscaled as we speak, and Empire is next in line. 

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As you said above, a 1080p film derived from a good 4k source would look better. Sadly, the 2011 blus are taken from a poor 2k scan that ultimately resolves to 720p detail. I'd assume the 1080p upscaled with sr would resolve the detail to closer to 1080p, which could be retained using a quality downscaling method. Any chance i could convince you to try this with your method and provide an example?

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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No problem, I will upscale the blu ray and then downscale it back to 1080p and will hopefully have a sample by next week.

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DrDre, which algorhythm has been used to downscale the BD?

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Those comparisons are really promising. I would not have expected such great results by a 540p upscale.

How good do these work on the first frame of a scene change? Do they work only half as good as there is a previous frame missing?

How many frames does it take into calculation in general?

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DrDre said:

Original 1080p original vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118497

 Are the screenshots correctly labeled in this one?

The super resolution one looks pretty noisy. Look at the border of Leia's chin and the white below it. And the edges of her bottom teeth, for example. I'm sure it looks better in motion, but it seems like elements in a shot that are not static between frames are going to have some issues?

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@LaserDisc Master I used handbrake to downscale the 1080p original using the h264 codec at 8000kps.  

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@intruder I haven't yet looked in detail at the results after a scene change. I'm pretty sure it won't be as good, but by how much I don't know. Since we are dealing with commercial software the precise way they implement the super resolution concept is not known. It is one of the fastest implementations though, with upscaling speeds that approach real time.

@towne32 The lables are correct. Any upscaling algorithm will have some artifacts. Some of the "details" reconstructed will be phony details caused by apparent structure in noise. Whether these are acceptable I guess is a matter of taste. In the end it's all about the improvement compared to the low resolution version, and to what extend you can approach the 1080p original. Personally I think the amount of detail that is reconstructed is pretty impressive, and that it is a massive improvement over the bicubic upscale. All things considered, I find the artifacts to be pretty minor. 

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DrDre said:

@LaserDisc Master I used handbrake to downscale the 1080p original using the h264 codec at 8000kps.  

But which kind of filter? Bicubic? Spline? Lanczos? Other?

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Handbrake uses lanczos3

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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nightstalkerpoet said:

Handbrake uses lanczos3

Thanks for the info!

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The super resolution upscale of the NTSC version of Star Wars is indeed looking much better than the PAL version. Much more detail is recovered due to the obviously better source material. Clips coming soon...

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@You_Too 

Here is a comparison of two frames between the Avisynth Spline64Resize and super resolution for the Star Wars blu ray. As before the 1080p sample was dowscaled to 540p, and then upscaled back to 1080p.

Frame 1:

1080p original vs Avisynth Spline64Resize:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118932

1080p original vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118497

Avisynth Spline64Resize vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118935

Frame 2:

1080p original vs Avisynth Spline64Resize:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118936

1080p original vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118506

Avisynth Spline64Resize vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118938

It seems to me that the super resolution upscale is much more detailed. The Avisynth Spline64Resize upscale looks more more blurry. 

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First comparison upscale NTSC GOUT. The difference for the first frame is very small (hair and eyes), however for the second frame the reconstructed detail is more substantial, which is particulary visible for Darth Vader's helmet. 

Frame 1:

Avisynth Spline64Resize vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118947

Frame 2:

Avisynth Spline64Resize vs super resolution:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/118951

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A question: did you use Infognition SuperResolution plugin? If not, may you post comparison also using that? Thanks!!!

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