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I understand the stance of you and so many.  I just honestly believe it unintentionally worsens the bigger problem rather than solving it.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Which F-word are you referring to? The one that rhymes with "duck" or the one that rhymes with "maggot"?

OR ..... the one that rhymes with "stink"?

;)

darth_ender said:

Or saying things like G-D- shouldn't offend, never mind that one is literally cursing God for whom many have immense respect and love.

I've never taken the curse that way. It sounds to me like a call for God to damn whatever the speaker's cursing against. If they were really damning God, the two words would be swapped around.

Of course, I do understand that devoted Christians would still dislike the curse even if used in the context I understand it in.

Can I say ... Neapolitan?

Never bring up Neapolitan. No one goes for the vanilla in it, anyway.

bkev said:

Frink's punchlines miss a lot of the time

bkev said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Which F-word are you referring to? The one that rhymes with "duck" or the one that rhymes with "maggot"?

OR ..... the one that rhymes with "stink"?

;)

 Why do you think you're so damned funny?  Frink's punchlines miss a lot of the time, but going after him over and over has no point whatsoever. 

 We could invite him over to my emotional support thread where he can discuss his obsessive-compulsive disorder and the resultant fixation on Frink.

;)

If you're not going to acknowledge the historical significance of the word I'm not going to respond.

And I don't have a problem with people using the word in literature and film (or even how Possessed used it with quotes), but I do have a problem with people who are quicker to attack political correctness than defend the victims of political incorrectness.

Well let me be clear.  My purpose in that post was not to attack political correctness.  I reacted angrily toward political correctness after the fact merely because I felt it was being used to distort the true meaning of my original post.

And in case there is anybody who still doesn't understand the meaning of my post, here's a simplified explanation.  Philistine is not a racial slur.  I provided the "n-word" as an example of something that is a racial slur to show differentiation between the two, and to say (in my intentions anyway, I suppose I could have made this part clearer but I didn't anticipate the big backlash) that one is acceptable in jokes and humor (philistine) and that the other is unacceptable (the "n-word").

In retrospect I understand both sides of the argument, and I should definitely have not spelled the word out.  Now can we please let it go.  

DominicCobb said:

If you're not going to acknowledge the historical significance of the word I'm not going to respond.

And I don't have a problem with people using the word in literature and film (or even how Possessed used it with quotes), but I do have a problem with people who are quicker to attack political correctness than defend the victims of political incorrectness.

 I know, you have a problem with just about all my views.  But I do think for one who demands so much tolerance, it might do you some good to at least tolerate a different point of view.  I'm not attacking you for disagreeing, just trying to point out why I think it is more destructive than productive.

Historical significance is of course important, and I understand the ties to slavery and the ultimate belittling of humans.  But don't you see that what I'm talking about is moving past that?  Look, black people call each other that all the time.  But that's okay because they are black, right?  I have been told that the reasoning is that instead of letting the word hold them down, they have allowed it to empower them.  I can see this.  However, if one continues to allow it to offend, to be insulting, to degrade, it continues to allow the word, and thus the racist thoughts behind it, to have power.

Let's compare this to bullying.  Bullying is a big problem.  But there are those who have been bullied who simply have allowed the cruel words of others to roll off their backs.  As a result, the bully in fact lost the power to belittle because the bullied refused to grant him that power.  The same applies to this word.  Apparently this one word is the worst word any white person can ever say.  And because of that mentality, white racists continue to use it, black people continue to feel insulted when they do, and racial divides persist.  Remove the meaning behind it, and we're one step closer to the end of racism.

Have you ever gotten nearly as offended when someone says, "Oh, he got jewed," or, "What a gyp!"?  What suffering have the Jews and Gypsies endured throughout history?  I'd say those ethnic groups from whom those phrases are derived have suffered persecution at least as bad as those of African descent.  Both were victims of the Holocaust, and the reason the Nazis targeted them is in fact the very same stereotype associated with the etymology of both phrases.

You clearly think very little of me because of my personal values, Dominic, as evidenced by another recent discussion, and that makes me sad, as I used to think we were on better terms.  But my goodness, I have an opinion that might actually help solve racism, and whether I am right or wrong, my intentions are good, but you will still condemn me as insensitive for not simply taking the the PC route.

Possessed said:

Well let me be clear.  My purpose in that post was not to attack political correctness.  I reacted angrily toward political correctness after the fact merely because I felt it was being used to distort the true meaning of my original post.

And in case there is anybody who still doesn't understand the meaning of my post, here's a simplified explanation.  Philistine is not a racial slur.  I provided the "n-word" as an example of something that is a racial slur to show differentiation between the two, and to say (in my intentions anyway, I suppose I could have made this part clearer but I didn't anticipate the big backlash) that one is acceptable in jokes and humor (philistine) and that the other is unacceptable (the "n-word").

In retrospect I understand both sides of the argument, and I should definitely have not spelled the word out.  Now can we please let it go.  

 I think people have let it go as far as your intent.  Now I'm the bad guy, so don't worry about it ;)

darth_ender said:

Look, black people call each other that all the time.  But that's okay because they are black, right?

Ah, but they end the word in "a" instead of "er". That makes all the difference in every possible world. ;-)

I only have a problem with some of your views, thank you very much!

You have to acknowledge the historical significance, is what I was saying. You can't leave it out of your argument (the first post I responded to) and pretend like it's not a factor so you can more easily get across your point. I'm glad you have rectified that with your most recent post.

Listen, I understand your argument and I've heard it many times. It makes sense. The problem is racism still exists. The mentalities that gave the n-word its horrible connotation can still be found in all too many people. Perhaps in a hundred years we can live in a world where that connotation no longer exists, but not now. We don't get to choose what does and doesn't offend cultures that have a history of oppression. So we need to understand that, for many people, the n-word is an unfathomable insult. I cannot completely understand it, as I am white. I don't need to worry about oppression, about police brutality, about being stereotyped, about not getting a job because of the color of my skin, about any of the number of things African American people have to fear on a daily basis. I don't have to worry about that because it doesn't affect me. The n-word doesn't affect me. But what it does do, to the people who are being put down, who have to constantly face bigotry, even if it's subconscious, is to further the culture of discrimination that has mistreated them for far too long.

I have never said anything about thinking little of you. I can disagree with you without questioning the content of your character.

This is all Toy Story's fault.

DominicCobb said:

I only have a problem with some of your views, thank you very much!

You have to acknowledge the historical significance, is what I was saying. You can't leave it out of your argument (the first post I responded to) and pretend like it's not a factor so you can more easily get across your point. I'm glad you have rectified that with your most recent post.

Listen, I understand your argument and I've heard it many times. It makes sense. The problem is racism still exists. The mentalities that gave the n-word its horrible connotation can still be found in all too many people. Perhaps in a hundred years we can live in a world where that connotation no longer exists, but not now. We don't get to choose what does and doesn't offend cultures that have a history of oppression. So we need to understand that, for many people, the n-word is an unfathomable insult. I cannot completely understand it, as I am white. I don't need to worry about oppression, about police brutality, about being stereotyped, about not getting a job because of the color of my skin, about any of the number of things African American people have to fear on a daily basis. I don't have to worry about that because it doesn't affect me. The n-word doesn't affect me. But what it does do, to the people who are being put down, who have to constantly face bigotry, even if it's subconscious, is to further the culture of discrimination that has mistreated them for far too long.

I have never said anything about thinking little of you. I can disagree with you without questioning the content of your character.

 I appreciate this post, because I thought your recent comments meant more than you now tell me they did.  I hope you think well of me, because I certainly hope for a better world without racism.  I, like you, am not subject to the same persistent racism in society today.  I do not use that word anymore, not even typed, though I felt comfortable with that friend at the time in high school.  But I do feel that using it in appropriate context, not in an insulting manner (and I think Possessed really did not mean to offend a soul), but in order to illustrate.  I hope one day this word's insulting value becomes deflated, because I think it does more harm than good to anyone.

Envelopes piss me off.

bkev said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Which F-word are you referring to? The one that rhymes with "duck" or the one that rhymes with "maggot"?

OR ..... the one that rhymes with "stink"?

;)

 Why do you think you're so damned funny?  Frink's punchlines miss a lot of the time, but going after him over and over has no point whatsoever. 

It was a joke ......  I'm often accused of not having a sense of humor or at the least not having one that is equal or acceptable to certain members.  

I am actually ok with Frink, we don't always agree on a lot, but it doesn't mean I wish him ill will.   

I'm glad someone got the reference. 

I think we all got the reference.

TV's Frink said:

I think we all got the reference.

None of us are constantly funny .... even you've dropped a good number of stinkers ... it was the point of my reference, it was not a personal dig.

Why do you think you're so damned funny?  Frink's punchlines miss a lot of the time, 

Yes...can you imagine if they were green? ;)