jedimasterobiwan, before you edited your post with "ignore" the link you posted was helpful.
This was the link: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=9813600&postcount=14318
It was helpful because it was 'Lyle_JP's' post you highlighted on Blu-Ray.com and I also highlighted one of his earlier posts on HTF. As a result, it seems this dude is the expert on this, and I msg'd him for more info and let him know about this thread.
Lastly, jedimasterobiwan, I didn't/don't mean to slam you...