darth_ender said:
But if it's just so natural that we shouldn't be ashamed at all, why do we hide it? Because we do in fact want "privicy" in what we do. We expect some degree of modesty. I work with a number of females, as you might imagine in the nursing field. But I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable ever saying to one of my coworkers, "Hey, I feel like I might have a hemorrhoid. Since I was born naked and it's no big deal, can you take a look and give me your professional opinion?"
I thought we are discussing nudity in film/art here. Showing something natural in film/art is something completely different to what you proposed. If a film scene is to show someone taking a shower, he/she obviously has to be naked.
darth_ender said:
It is showing it for erotic purposes, clearly, so that it can garner a greater appeal among zit-faced nerds who have no lady friends.
Who is "high and mighty" now?
darth_ender said:
It ensures the survival of the species, which is why polygamy is such a prevalent practice among natures creatures.
As I said, polygamy by itself is far from ensuring the survival of the species.
darth_ender said:
You're not a bigot, but modern religion "polluted" Greek and Roman cultures? Well, let's look at ancient cultures then. Some religious cults (not in the modern pejorative sense, but cult in the actual dictionary sense) were centered on fertility and and public sexuality. I guess modern religion polluted those noble ancient ideals. Maybe you and your significant other could try to reinvigorate those ideas with public acts. Don't be shy. Don't demand privicy. Don't go behind locked doors.
And as I recall, the Romans publicly executed prisoners in violent manners until modern religion polluted them once again. The Greeks suppressed other cultures whom they had conquered, but modern religion polluted those ideas too. The Romans thought their way of life so superior to that of others' that they took it upon themselves to militantly spread that lifestyle to the rest of the world. Now, thanks to modern religious corruption, we no longer practice such methods. Gosh, it looks like modern religion just ruined everything good, since the Greeks and Romans were right about everything.
Again, I thought we are discussing nudity/sex in film/art. I did not say Ancient Greek and Rome were generally perfect. I specifically said they had no problem with nudity/sex in art, as it is evident by many statues etc. And that is one decent thing from ancient cultures upon which modern religions regressed.
But now since you went beyond the topic let me say this... when it comes to bad stuff from ancient cultures, modern religions took those things and even "evolved" them. I won't go into details of medieval Church public executions and torture again, or suppression of people with different ideas.
darth_ender said:
I know know of no movie or show that glamorizes sex and pregnancy when it shows you some famous actress's breasts bouncing on screen.
Showing bouncing breasts on screen actually has nothing to do with sex. It merely showing something natural about human body. Bouncing breasts are human body under the laws of physics.
darth_ender said:
Um. Is it that hard to understand that I wish people held a standard like mine? That isn't the same as dictating that they should.
There is only one step from wishing to imposing, and it is called power. When people get in power their wishes will be imposed on others, consciously or subconsciously.