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.Mac. said:

 Just as you later say, Solo is absolutely not the type to just die in his bed from age; he is a gun-slinging fighter and so he must die from a heroic/sacrificial act.

 That was me, not Mithrandir.  I'm with you in that I think it's time for Han to go, and likely that he will.

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Ronster said:

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There is a grand tradition of deception and misdirection in the production of a Star Wars film. Dave Prowse was given phony dialog to say on ESB, and there were fake script pages on Return of the Jedi.

It's not a stretch to imagine J.J. doing this one better, and shoot fake scenes.

 Your saying the teaser trailer is fake? or some of it is fake?

 No. I'm saying it's easy to shoot a fake death scene. Remember when J.R. Ewing's shooter was revealed on Dallas? Most of the cast was filmed doing the deed to prevent the truth from leaking out before the episode aired.

The Simpsons went to the trouble of animating just about every character shooting Mr. Burns to keep everyone in the production pipeline in the dark.

Very few people outside J.J. and the actors know what actually happens in the movie.

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It does sort of play to the "they rhyme" gallery.

Luke seeing Ben cut down and then firing blasts before fleeing in the Falcon has a similar buzz to it.

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I don't like the idea of killing Han.

On the other hand if he dies hopefully it is a meaningful death,  and they don't come up with some stupid crap to bring him back to life in a sequel.

I would also like Luke to die in a supreme sacrifice than be a loser hermit with no wife or girlfriend. 

Luke becoming a hermit and a recluse betrays everything about the character arc in Return of the Jedi.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

I don't like the idea of killing Han.

On the other hand if he dies hopefully it is a meaningful death,  and they don't come up with some stupid crap to bring him back to life in a sequel.

Star Wars VIII: The Search for Solo.

=P 

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SilverWook said:

Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

There is a grand tradition of deception and misdirection in the production of a Star Wars film. Dave Prowse was given phony dialog to say on ESB, and there were fake script pages on Return of the Jedi.

It's not a stretch to imagine J.J. doing this one better, and shoot fake scenes.

 Your saying the teaser trailer is fake? or some of it is fake?

 No. I'm saying it's easy to shoot a fake death scene. Remember when J.R. Ewing's shooter was revealed on Dallas? Most of the cast was filmed doing the deed to prevent the truth from leaking out before the episode aired.

The Simpsons went to the trouble of animating just about every character shooting Mr. Burns to keep everyone in the production pipeline in the dark.

Very few people outside J.J. and the actors know what actually happens in the movie.

 Sarlac pit kills Han did'nt you know :) and then it burps.

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I read a rumor that Han is the only one to survive on either side, and the other two movies are just one-man shows.

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TV's Frink said:

I read a rumor that Han is the only one to survive on either side, and the other two movies are just one-man shows.

 Finally fulfilling the portentous promise of his surname.

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starwars7news has speculated about the beginning of the Episode VII plot:

It’s taken a number of rumors (both plausible and outlandish) and quite a bit of speculation from all across the fandom, but it now appears that the pieces are coming together, and that with the help of Making Star Wars, we’ve got a picture of what part of the first act of Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens is going to look like.

A long time ago, Devin Faraci reported that the movie would begin with a hand attached to a lightsaber floating through space and landing on a planet where major characters appear. While this initial rumor has since been dismissed by a number of sources, it now appears that his source was on the right track – there is a lightsaber that somehow ends up on the planet without burning up in the atmosphere (did the will of the Force get it there?), but there’s not a disembodied hand clutched to it. The lightsaber lands on a savanna environment, where it is discovered by a character codenamed “Naka”, who is a farmer. While inspecting the lightsaber, Naka accidentally sets it off, which causes a small fire.

Naka takes the weapon from the fire and delivers it to an individual codenamed “The Vicar”, who MSW speculates is Max Von Sydow’s character based on a film role he had that with the same name. The Vicar then contacts the Rebel Alliance, who send Poe Dameron over to the planet to retrieve the weapon alongside his droid, BB-8. Poe gets the lightsaber, but soon discovers that the Empire also caught wind of the message and has sent Stormtroopers after him. Poe sticks the lightsaber into BB-8′s hidden compartment and allows it to escape, while he is eventually captured by the Imperials after holding them off.

At the same time and on the same planet, a Stormtrooper squadron that Finn is a part of descends upon a village to raze it to the ground, led personally by Kylo Ren. They are met with some resistance, but many of the villagers are unarmed. Nonetheless, a number of Stormtroopers are killed in the process, including Finn’s friends. Finn objects to killing unarmed civilians, and deliberately allows a number of them to escape. Kylo Ren is displeased with this and has Finn detained on the Star Destroyer orbiting the planet for refusing to follow orders. As luck would have it, Poe is in the same brig that Finn is placed in. Poe and Finn reluctantly agree to work together to escape in order to work toward a common goal, in spite of being on opposing sides of the war. They hijack a TIE fighter in a daring escape… And they then crash-land on the surface of the planet. To be continued!

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One of our own sources has been able to vouch for this outline, but with one notable addition to the continuity of this series of events: to ensure that their escape works out, Poe and Finn cause a large explosion in the Star Destroyer, which causes the ship to fall out of orbit and crash-landed in the desert. The leaked concept art showed a downed Star Destroyer in the background of one piece, and it also shows an image of a TIE fighter that was shot down on the surface of the planet, which now seems to be the TIE fighter than Finn and Poe take in an effort to escape in. It’s likely that the above scene from the trailer takes place immediately after the TIE fighter that gets gunned down.

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Our source told us that Han is not present in the final scene of the movie, and given the sequence of events that were described to MSW, it’s abundantly clear why: he’s dead. He goes out to confront Kylo Ren personally before he is killed, giving Finn, Rey, BB-8, and Chewbacca enough time to escape from the villain. This scene in the trailer is thought to take place after the group escape from him. While this is a plot thread that most people suspected would happen as soon as Harrison Ford signed onto the film, both sources support each other with this turn of events, giving both reports extra credence.

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From BBC News:

Asked about the secrecy surrounding the script, Abrams added: "We did the best we can to preserve the story for the audience, but it doesn't always work.

"There are a ton of rumours - some true, some false. But I'm grateful for everyone who would want to read a spoiler because it means that they care and want to see the movie.

"I know what it feels like, as an enormous Star Wars fan myself."

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emanswfan said:

From BBC News:

Asked about the secrecy surrounding the script, Abrams added: "We did the best we can to preserve the story for the audience, but it doesn't always work.

"There are a ton of rumours - some true, some false. But I'm grateful for everyone who would want to read a spoiler because it means that they care and want to see the movie.

"I know what it feels like, as an enormous Star Wars fan myself."

 Saw that today also, in a few different places.  I think that the most of the basic elements that have been repeated for months now are probably true, but the order of the plot points I just pasted may not be right at all.  Also, it just gets down to details. For example, we know a lightsaber is involved, but is it Luke's, Vader's, Palpatine's?  Etc.. Probably doesn't matter, in the end.  I think those sort of details are what he means by false rumors. 

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The rumored plot sucks.  Cold war, both sides having a death star and the rebellion turning evil.

No name characters taking the reigns and making the original trio useless and basically only cameos.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

No name characters taking the reigns and making the original trio useless and basically only cameos.

I feel your pain. We really need the ST to focus on the OT characters even though the actors who play them are ten years away from needing walkers* just to get around.

 

*And I'm not talkin' about the Imperial variety. 

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It's interesting to see that the originaltrilogy.com people are by and large the ones with the most negative expectations about Episode VII, compared to the forums and comments sections I've been looking at.  Given the reactions to the rumors here, I wonder if there's any possible storyline that could be suggested that wouldn't get a bad reaction.

I know there are a lot of people in general who really dislike JJ Abrams, but I'm pretty neutral in that regard.  I thought that the Star Trek films had good and bad points, but were entertaining films overall.  I do think that he's a competent filmmaker, which may be too high praise, depending on your opinion of him.

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Nocturnaloner said:

Given the reactions to the rumors here, I wonder if there's any possible storyline that could be suggested that wouldn't get a bad reaction.

Something that moves past superweapons, Sith lords, universe shrinkage, and black hat villains with red lightsabers would do it for me ...

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Nocturnaloner said:

It's interesting to see that the originaltrilogy.com people are by and large the ones with the most negative expectations about Episode VII, compared to the forums and comments sections I've been looking at.  Given the reactions to the rumors here, I wonder if there's any possible storyline that could be suggested that wouldn't get a bad reaction.

I know there are a lot of people in general who really dislike JJ Abrams, but I'm pretty neutral in that regard.  I thought that the Star Trek films had good and bad points, but were entertaining films overall.  I do think that he's a competent filmmaker, which may be too high praise, depending on your opinion of him.

 Some people are just very vocal around here, and then there's that prequel hangover that hasn't quite gone away. ;)

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Nocturnaloner said:

Given the reactions to the rumors here, I wonder if there's any possible storyline that could be suggested that wouldn't get a bad reaction.

Something that moves past superweapons, Sith lords, universe shrinkage, and black hat villains with red lightsabers would do it for me ...

 The universe shrinkage is one of the things I hate most about Episode I.  There's no reason at all for Anakin to come from Tatooine, and even less for him to be C3PO's creator.  That's why, desert or not, I hope that what we see in the teaser isn't Tatooine.  Black hat villains with red lightsabers, that's just Star Wars, man.

In some places, the hate for makingstarwars.net is profound.  The way I look at it is, if every single rumor turns out to be BS, it just means I'm going in unspoiled.

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SilverWook said:

 Some people are just very vocal around here, and then there's that prequel hangover that hasn't quite gone away. ;)

 My prequel hangover will never go away! :D I've come to accept that about myself.

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Nocturnaloner said:

Black hat villains with red lightsabers, that's just Star Wars, man.

Not in my universe, it ain't.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Nocturnaloner said:

Black hat villains with red lightsabers, that's just Star Wars, man.

Not in my universe, it ain't.

 Hear, hear!

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Nocturnaloner said:

Given the reactions to the rumors here, I wonder if there's any possible storyline that could be suggested that wouldn't get a bad reaction.

 Something along the lines of Lonesome Dove (the book)  in a galaxy far far away would be my ideal ST.
As far as the plot rumors, I don't mind the cold war stuff, but the rest sounds very lame.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Nocturnaloner said:

Black hat villains with red lightsabers, that's just Star Wars, man.

Not in my universe, it ain't.

 Just because two people disagree doesn't mean they live in different universes.

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Nocturnaloner said:

Given the reactions to the rumors here, I wonder if there's any possible storyline that could be suggested that wouldn't get a bad reaction.

 I could only ever truly support a progression of the story. Not a retread. Sith in the shadows causing trouble is fine. I can imagine some bad guy always trying to use the dark side of the Force. Its the continued existence of the Empire which gets me.

I guess to make a sequel to the original movies you had to basically nullify Return of the Jedi, but its just a weak way to make a sequel happen. No creative new threat. We even saw TIE Fighters, not TIE Interceptors in the sneak peak trailer which to me was saying "Return of the Jedi didn't happen, folks!".

Oh well.

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I'd say it only has to nullify the SE of ROTJ with its galaxy wide celebrations. In the original version we don't see the whole Empire collapsing just because the second Death Star is destroyed, so it's only "the special edition of Return of the Jedi didn't happen" which, we certainly all agree here, isn't a bad thing.

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Yeah, but even if the SE ending still happened, that doesn't mean they weren't just a few little groups of rebel sympathizers put down the very next day by stormtroopers.