darth_ender said:
DominicCobb said:
darth_ender said:
darth_ender said:
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Cobb, I don't care about you "prowling" my thread. I've been attacked elsewhere, including politics, where I know you have at least trodden before. But perhaps you have missed such things. No matter. Look at my above quote. Perhaps I can sound holier than thou, but reread the quote, particularly the underlined part. I am sharing my personal views and why I find the book, not you, so offensive. I don't understand why you, hairy_hen, and everyone else so passionate about personal liberty (which I too value, but only along with personal responsibility) is so up in arms about. The book is offensive to me. I shared it as a random thought. You don't find it offensive and feel that near pornographic films and books should be accessible to teens. I disagree. It's my random thought. I'm sorry that you think it is so horrible of me to use my personal liberties to express my personal views in a random thoughts thread.
I rarely enter the politics thread as it never fails to give me a headache. Engaging in discussion there usually goes nowhere.
Notice that your holier than thou attitude comes through in that very quote you underlined: "but I understand if not everyone cares about such virtues." The fact that you think we are people who just "don't care" about virtues is a little condescending. We simply do not find waiting until marriage for sex a virtue. That does not make us virtueless people.
I never said that those like you are virtueless people. I am a well liked person, pretty popular in my social circles, where most think more like you. This would not be the case were that what I were saying or secretly believing. Perhaps my phrasing could be construed that way, and for that I apologize. But reread it yet again. You will see that what I am intending is that not everyone considers a virtue what I consider a virtue. That does not make them without virtue. Clearly that was my intent. In other words, not everyone shares my morals. I don't mean that others do not have morals themselves.
I don't care about how you feel about the book, I noted myself that it is by all means a work of utter garbage. I don't find it offensive and you do, and that's fine. That's not what I find offensive. It's just your attitude. Though perhaps your point is that it is your personal right to find my beliefs immoral? If so, fair enough. But it is unfortunate.
I never made that point or anything remotely close to it. So feel free to get offended at what I didn't say, but if you do, that is unfortunate.
While I do find your moral standards different (and admittedly, lower than mine, as I'm sure you find my tolerance for different forms of sexual expression a lower moral than yours, and so you should be able to see that I truly mean no offense by saying so), I am not calling you immoral. Many people are extremely good, moral people who have different standards on different topics. I personally feel like our society loves to actually flaunt sex at every turn. Most of us will not die virgins. Nearly everyone has sex at some point in their life. It's part of being human. But I don't feel we need to have it broadcast on screen, or accept such broadcasts so readily. That is all my point ever was. Too bad hairy_hen needs to give Jesus the bird over it.
BTW, there's a chance to defend my beliefs, should you feel so inspired.
If that was truly your intent then fair enough, I apologize, but it certainly didn't come across that way. Blame it on phrasing I suppose but it really did sound like you were insulting the morals of people like me.
I'm not a fan of arguing as I think it mostly just leads to resentment on both sides and I don't want to cause that so if you don't mind I'll chalk this all up to misunderstanding on both parts and we can drop it.
By the way, though I respect your beliefs, don't expect me to defend you every chance I get, I never said I would do that. Not sure why you keep with that point. Remember the only reason I brought up your religion was as a comparison, in defending myself. You're plenty capable of defending yourself, you don't need me to pop in every time that your beliefs are threatened, and don't think that I will. I don't and won't expect you to defend me when my beliefs are threatened.