TServo2049 said:
OK, so does this mean the Technidisc/GOUT IP retained its color into the 90s? How does that explain the somewhat desaturated and neutral look of the GOUT?
My original assumption was that either the source element wasn't fully timed, or that it was done in telecine to compensate for fade. The 1983 Spanish-dubbed LPP print and the 1989 French widescreen laserdisc seem to come from a source that had the same variations as the GOUT, and both have certain scenes with pinkish or bluish casts (the French LD is worse, I had assumed it had been due to another 6 years of fading on the source element).
The 70mm cells show the gold cast on Tatooine, the green-blue tinge to the Death Star interiors, and so forth - quite close to the IB Technicolor (including another IB print which made its way into the hands of a British film-cutter, who has been selling it piece by piece on eBay UK). And as I said, the blowup that was chopped up to make the cells was printed on 1995 stock.
So was the GOUT neutralized in telecine even though it came from a fully timed IP? The Technidisc does seem to have more of the original color timing in evidence, but even that isn't perfect. I don't know what to believe anymore...
I choose to reply to your question in the Legacy thread here instead... For all we know the Technidisc/THX LD (GOUT) - source could've been a beat up internegative instead of an interpositive (despite the mention of an IP in that article). I have a hunch that could be the case. It would also explain the rough state of it.
The IP talked about that they found could have been for the subtitleless Greedo sequence.
TServo2049 said:
I was bringing this up in the Legacy thread, but it got kind of off-topic so I'm moving it here.
Has anybody seen a Derann or Cineavision Super 8 print, and can recall if either had the glue at every cut like the JSC, and/or if they are missing the orange marks in the Tantive corridor? I am still interested in determining whether:
1.) all the versions with the early composites have the same cement blobs as the JSC and other video transfers
2.) the presence of the blobs corresponds with the Tantive orange things NOT being there.
As I said, the few bootleg transfers that come from sources with the early composites are vertically cropped so the glue isn't shown. I'm still wondering if the "glue" source was actually a very early element, predating the orange marks being introduced (on an earlier generation?)
I believe the Derann prints are cropped at the bottom of the frame, so the splicing will probably only be visible on a few select frames where the marks cover a big chunk of the frame. I have personally only seen a few short segments from one. They probably match the JSC in terms of compositing though.