What is your personal Star Trek canon? — Page 4

DuracellEnergizer said:

imperialscum said:

Well Frink proclaimed many of the threads to be the worst. But this one is actually the worst.

Ah, go back to General Star Wars Discussion, you meshugganah.

I will! Only boring stuff around here.

I was never able to get into the Gold Key Comics. I started reading Trek comics around 1980 or 81 with the Marvel series. Still have all of my back issues of that, and also the first DC series. The DC series was my favorite.

DC also put out a Next Generation mini-series in the late 80's that I own, but I did not enjoy it at all. My Trek interests as far as collecting and reading ended for me in 1992 with "The Undiscovered Country". That was the last tie-in novel I read all the way through. If memory servers, I did get a hard cover copy of the Generations novel as a gift, but I did not find it interesting.

Basically pre-2009 movie what was in the official canon before that.....

I also always enjoyed the FASA Star Trek Role Playing Game source books, and I very much considered them part of my personal Star Trek canon during the pre-Next Generation era. My role playing friends and I  did not recognize the Next Generation gaming material for the first few seasons of that show when it went on the air in the late 1980's.  

My personal Star Trek Canon consists of the following:

• Star Trek: Enterprise
• Star Trek: The Original Series
• Star Trek: The Motion Picture
• Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
• Star Trek: The Search for Spock
• Star Trek: The Voyage Home
• Star Trek: The Final Frontier
• Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country
• Star Trek: The Next Generation
• Star Trek: Generations
• Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
• Star Trek: Voyager
• Star Trek: First Contact
• Star Trek: Insurrection
• Star Trek: Nemesis

Any other Star Trek movie or series is just fanfiction.

Edit: In my initial version of the post, I didn’t include The Motion Picture, The Final Frontier, The Undiscovered Country, and Nemesis. But lately, I have decided to take a more “mainstream” approach by including all the movies from the TOS/TNG era, so I edited the post. Therefore, the exchange of opinions that I had with BedeHistory731 in the next two posts is not valid anymore.

BedeHistory731 said:

Why would you exclude The Motion Picture and Undiscovered Country?

Because I find them to be boring, honestly. And I know that “boring” doesn’t automatically mean bad, but I never felt the need to take those two movies as an actual part of the story.

Edit: This comment is not valid anymore. Now I accept both movies.

My personal Trek canon is on the complicated side.

I generally accept the events of TOS as canon – minus such gems as “The Alternative Factor” and “Turnabout Intruder” – but not the visuals, which I think have aged terribly and look cheap/cheesy today. So I imagine the “true” TOS ships, uniforms, aliens, etc. looking closer to the ones in SNW, though I DO NOT consider SNW canon.

Harlan Ellison’s version of “The City on the Edge of Forever” supersedes the final episode.

TMP and TWOK are canon, but I’m on the fence regarding the remaining TOS films. I like them all to varying extent, even TFF, but I often feel Spock’s sacrifice at the end of TWOK was a perfect sendoff for the character and shouldn’t have been overturned.

The Early Voyages comic, along with the novels Vulcan’s Glory and The Wounded Sky, are all canon.

I haven’t read all of the Rihannsu novels, but I’m inclined to accept their depiction of Romulan culture as canon.

“Yesteryear” is the only episode of TAS I feel strongly enough about to consider definitively canon. I can take or leave the rest of the series.

I recognize TNG in broad strokes; there was an Enterprise-D commanded by a Capt. Jean-Luc Picard with a Data, Riker, etc. serving under him. But I have so many issues with the show that I only accept what’s necessary for DS9 to exist. None of the TNG films are canon.

I generally accept DS9 as canon, though not many of the elements I dislike about TNG that carried over, such as the depiction of Klingons. I’m not sure if I accept Jadzia’s death and Ezri Dax’s existence as canon.

Superweapon VII said:
I generally accept the events of TOS as canon – minus such gems as “The Alternative Factor” and “Turnabout Intruder” – but not the visuals, which I think have aged terribly and look cheap/cheesy today. So I imagine the “true” TOS ships, uniforms, aliens, etc. looking closer to the ones in SNW, though I DO NOT consider SNW canon.

Hey, that’s basically what I do as well! I accept The Original Series, but I imagine it with the Strange New Worlds aesthetics, even though I don’t accept Strange New Worlds itself as Canon.

• Spock was conceived through genetic engineering, not copulation.
• Religion is alive and well in the 23rd & 24th centuries. In fact, it’s in better condition than ever before; divorced from the state, in open dialogue with science and philosophy, dogmatism and fundamentalism have died through attrition. Pluralism and syncretism are the rule, not the exception. Likewise, New Atheism is a rare animal; atheism still exists, but nontheists and theists are able to dialogue in good faith, without toxicity.
• OG Borg were completely alien; there were no human-type Borg until El-Aurians, and later the Romulans, were assimilated into the Collective.
• There was no Borg Queen (or Borg King, or Borg Sovereign of any kind) prior to the events of “I, Borg”. Picard & co’s attempt to introduce the concept of individuality to the Collective had an effect, but not the one they were hoping for.

Channel72 said:

Superweapon VII said:

I generally accept DS9 as canon, though not many of the elements I dislike about TNG that carried over, such as the depiction of Klingons. I’m not sure if I accept Jadzia’s death and Ezri Dax’s existence as canon.

The TNG depiction of Klingons is just a slight variation on the depiction of Klingons in The Motion Picture, The Search for Spock, and The Undiscovered Country. (Except they no longer have pink blood in the 24th century I guess, and the honor culture thing gets cranked up to 11.)

I’d say the TNG Klingons are flanderized versions of the TOS film Klingons. Also TUC had the most well-rounded depiction of the Klingons.

Channel72 said:

On an unrelated note, I was recently watching a DS9 episode where they’re in the Mirror Universe aboard Terok Nor, the Cardassian name for DS9. In the Mirror Universe the station is still a Cardassian station, because the Federation doesn’t exist. But there’s this one point where Evil Kira talks to the computer, and the computer voice still sounds like Lwaxana Troi, instead of like, some Cardassian voice. That irritated me so much I actually wrote this post about it.

Well, Majel Barrett did play three live-action roles in the franchise, not mention the various characters she voiced in TAS, so this isn’t the biggest implausibility the Mirror Universe has to offer.