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Roddenberry was kind of a crappy writer but he WAS a GREAT idea man. It's a shame some of those post-TOS ideas couldn't have been realized better.
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All Things Star Trek — Page 61
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Some of his post TOS, pre TNG projects held great promise. Spectre was the forerunner of X-Files and all the spooky paranormal shows we've had since. It's a crime the pilot movie is not even on DVD.
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Yes, Spectre was very cool.
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When I typed post-TOS, I meant post-TOS Star Trek (ie. TNG) not his non-Trek endeavours.
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DuracellEnergizer said:
When I typed post-TOS, I meant post-TOS Star Trek (ie. TNG) not his non-Trek endeavours.
I understood what you meant.
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SilverWook said:
Spectre was the forerunner of X-Files and all the spooky paranormal shows we've had since.
I think you're thinking of Kolchak: The Night Stalker ;)
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Kolchak was the direct forerunner of X-Files to be sure.
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Well this made me laugh today. Now if only we had found somewhere besides Star Trek to send Rick Berman.
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When Jadzia Dax got together with Worf on DS9, it was like seeing the prettiest, smartest girl I knew and liked in high school getting together with the crudest, stupidest jock I knew and despised in same said high school.
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The way Farrell left the show and refused to let them use her likeness for the series finale was not cool.
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I read somewhere that she was willing to come back and play Jadzia as a recurring character. It was the powers-that-be who chose to kill the character off.
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She was one of my favorite characters on the show but this left a real bad taste in my mouth:
Ira Steven Behr said:
We had planned to see Terry Farrell in the flashbacks but she refused to let us use any of her clips. The way I see it is this: Her manager was informed that we were thinking of using Terry in a scene in the final episode. It would have probably been three hours of work... maybe four. The price they quoted us was too high for the budget. After all, this was a show where we had to cut out hundreds of thousands of dollars from the original draft.
Her manager was informed that we weren't going to be able to use Terry. And on top of it, the scene we had been thinking of for her was really not that germane to the plot. I think Terry's feelings were hurt. When it came to the issue of the clips, they again felt that they would prefer that we went a different way without using the character of Jadzia Dax. So we did. I wasn't happy about it. I'm still not happy about it. But it is a reminder that even Star Trek is just part of the great showbiz sludge.
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Still, I can understand where she's coming from. Whenever writers/producers/etc. kill off a popular character when it isn't part of that character's natural progression, it feels like a low-blow move. If I were in her shoes, I'd probably feel betrayed myself and refuse to work or cooperate with them again.
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Why the heck can't they contact an actor directly and bypass the lower level minions? A lot of misunderstandings seem to be a direct result of this.
With Sisko becoming the Kwisatz Haderach of the Wormhole aliens, and Dukat becoming a two dimensional villian, I prefer to pretend the final season mostly never happened anyway.
Just the thought of Dukat banging Kai Winn makes me somewhat queasy. ;)
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“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
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I remember seeing that when it aired.
If Triumph shows up at Celebration, I say we neuter him. ;)
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*sigh* I loathe the stupid "Trek vs. Wars" rivalry. The fantards who perpetuate it deserve a collective enema.
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It was strictly played for laughs by Triumph. He's an equal opportunity nerd offender.
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Goes to show one of the many problems of Voyager: Some kind of lazy writing.
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Wow... I never had a hatred of voyager that many people have, but...that was insane. I honestly never noticed how many times people in the show said "some X of..."
At least Voyager wasn't Enterprise, which turned me off partway of the first episode, or the first JJ Abrams Trek movie, which between the sex scene with the green woman (not a fan of sex scenes in movies in general) and the blinding lens flare, made my eyes bleed...I guess I'm saying that Voyager wasn't the lowest the franchise could go.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
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Voyager looks like some kind of shit. Proof positive that Berman & Braga were two of the three worst things to ever happen to the franchise prior to Abramstrek, I guess.
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At least Enterprise pretty much redeemed itself in the last season. Voyager....
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Voyager isn't 100% bad. I mean once in a while it can pull out a good episode like Scorpion or The Thaw, and even the bad episodes that focus on Holodoc are worth watching just for Picardo, it also gave us the Captain Proton episode so I can't completely hate Voyager.
As for Braga I wouldn't be too hard on him, he seems like a nice enough guy who was trying and even admits to the mistakes he made and that is not something a lot of people in Hollywood do. He was really good when writing on TNG and even did some good scripts on the other shows once in a while. I think the real problem was he was burnt out. Paramount cut back on the number of writers at the time he was working and because of that in a space of about seven years he had to write 110 episodes. Now to put that in prospective that is 31 episodes more then the inter run of TOS, that would burn anyone out. So yeah he kept going back to the same plot well over and over and that hurt the show but I don't think he was being lazy, he was just given way more work then he could handle and as someone who has been in that place I will not hold that against him. Yeah maybe he should have stepped down but then again in Hollywood a writer never knows where his or her next pay check is going to come from so some times that is easier said then done. He made some mistakes but I don't think he was trying to be lazy and I don't hold it personally against him. At least his bad scripts tended to be about exploring space unlike the bad scripts of more recent Star Trek which are all about war and explosions.
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Voyager looks like some kind of shit. Proof positive that Berman & Braga were two of the three worst things to ever happen to the franchise prior to Abramstrek, I guess.
Abramstrek completely redeemed Berman & Braga, as even the dumbest episodes of Voyager and Enterprise were smarter than any moment in the two reboots.
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I am not sure I would say smarter because there is some pretty dumb stuff but they were at least trying to tell stories about Sci-fi concepts and dealing with moral problems in space, so they get marks from me for that even when it didn't work and we got "a night in sickbay" which is the worst thing to ever be labeled Star trek.
Still they sometimes had good idea that worked or would have worked if the network had not gotten in the way. Braga wanted Year of Hell to take up a whole season of the show and leave Voyager weaker then it had been before with a smaller crew so in future episode Janeway would have to make more treaties and bring new aliens on to the ship to make up for the lost crewmen, he also wanted to ditch the replicators so Voyager would be forced to look for supplies more. In other words he wanted to do BSG seven years before it turned up on tv but the network said no and changed it into a two parter that featured the reset button being hit at the end. So not all the problems were the fault of Berman and Braga. in fact it is looking more and more like Paramount are the ones without a clue and they need to stop messing with Star Trek before they completely destroy it.