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Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 115

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Harmy said:

While I'm waiting for more ROTJ 35mm footage, I decided to take Team N1's recent Grindhouse release of Empire and start experimenting with it for ESB v2.5 and here's the result:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0dtCY1O9WXzcWI3YU5KUjRKOW8/view?usp=sharing

(In order to see the full quality, you have to download it, not just watch it in your browser.)

 It's impressive how much detail was lost on the arms in the Blu Ray verion- they look like thin little sticks. You can actually see the entirety of the arms in this.

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Looks incredible. Though I think they're using better prints for the final release, it's great to see how much can be done with a shot like that.

While we're on the subject of ESB-deSE and the grindhouse release, a comparison shot I saw made it clear that the 2.0 still had the SE composition in these shots.

Hadn't seen it bought up before, but quite possible that I missed it.

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Wazzles said:

 It's impressive how much detail was lost on the arms in the Blu Ray verion- they look like thin little sticks. You can actually see the entirety of the arms in this.

 That's the GOUT in the 2.0. The Bluray wasn't used because it was composited differently. It would actually have the most detail, being digitally composited.

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Yes, in v2.0, the probe droid shot was a recreation using the GOUT for the moving parts.

And yes, many recomposited shots were left in in v2.0 because with GOUT as my best source for the originals, I wasn't able to undo them while keeping sufficient picture quality - now it may be a different story :-)

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Very nice. It's hard to tell but is the noise reduction softening/burring the smoke a lot?

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Too bad that denoising such a dirty source always results in those wobbly edges. I've had the same problem with some shots from the 35mm trailers.

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Harmy said:

While I'm waiting for more ROTJ 35mm footage, I decided to take Team N1's recent Grindhouse release of Empire and start experimenting with it for ESB v2.5 and here's the result:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0dtCY1O9WXzcWI3YU5KUjRKOW8/view?usp=sharing

(In order to see the full quality, you have to download it, not just watch it in your browser.)

 Impressive.
Most impressive.
With the new team_negative1 Empire release now available.
Is it possible that the next EMPIRE Despecialized, can be?
100% GOUT free!

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Harmy said:

Oh, it will most certainly be 100% GOUT free.

 Impressive. Most impressive.

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Harmy said:

Oh, it will most certainly be 100% GOUT free.

 Wow.

Plans for someday a SW >2.5, similarly?

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Well, if there's ever a full 35mm HD scan of Star Wars made available to me, then yes, definitely (unless of course the scan already looks better than the official BD, which certainly isn't inconceivable).

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Harmy said:

Well, if there's ever a full 35mm HD scan of Star Wars made available to me, then yes, definitely (unless of course the scan already looks better than the official BD, which certainly isn't inconceivable).

 Given your recent example, I am indeed curious to see what your technique applied to an entire film would be like (very very good, presumably). That's not a slight to -1, as we've yet to see their final restored effort. I'm sure it will be great as well. It would not be quite as sharp as the BD, but it's the real deal and comes with the satisfaction of not catching some tiny SE change years down the road. :)

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It took me several hours to do that shot (though, granted, I was still figuring it out) and it does have some side-effects, which I think are ok for despecialized, because they appear on the BD Lowry transfer as well but I think a different approach will be better for cleaning up the whole thing and I'm sure Team N1's final result will be fantastic, especially since they are working from some cleaner and less faded prints now (making the colors look good for the whole movie using just the grindhouse release would also be a very problematic task).

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g-force said:

The difference in details is night and day, the robot looks very clear, awesome resolution.

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Harmy said:

Well, if there's ever a full 35mm HD scan of Star Wars made available to me, then yes, definitely (unless of course the scan already looks better than the official BD, which certainly isn't inconceivable).

You're not getting off the hook that easy, mister ;)

IMO, there's still a place for the DeEd's (or something like it), even under this scenario.  It's quite likely a great-quality 35mm scan would still benefit from many things you could do:

- GOUT sync (and with that, all of our great audio options)

- Cleanup/cue mark removal

- Improved color timing to better match our best color references (Technicolor, etc)

- Stabilization

I assume that if a 35mm print was scanned, the "theatrical experience" would be well-preserved, but there are some things commonly done to films for home video that I think are nice to have.

Frankly, much of this would probably need to be done even if Disney themselves did a respectful transfer of Star Wars, so I don't see how it would be all that different if someone else did one.

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I noticed the Episode V crawl doesn't appear to have as much "light bleed" around the letters in the Grindhouse release.  Could this just be due to the brightness/color balance being different, or is this really sharper than the Blu-ray/DeEdv2 crawl?  If it is, I wonder what they did during the transfer to make it bleed like that.

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I've heard many reports that the bluray of empire is very "soft". Much softer than it should've been. (like the scan was botched somehow)

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CatBus said:

Harmy said:

Well, if there's ever a full 35mm HD scan of Star Wars made available to me, then yes, definitely (unless of course the scan already looks better than the official BD, which certainly isn't inconceivable).

You're not getting off the hook that easy, mister ;)

IMO, there's still a place for the DeEd's (or something like it), even under this scenario.  It's quite likely a great-quality 35mm scan would still benefit from many things you could do:

- GOUT sync (and with that, all of our great audio options)

- Cleanup/cue mark removal

- Improved color timing to better match our best color references (Technicolor, etc)

- Stabilization

I assume that if a 35mm print was scanned, the "theatrical experience" would be well-preserved, but there are some things commonly done to films for home video that I think are nice to have.

Frankly, much of this would probably need to be done even if Disney themselves did a respectful transfer of Star Wars, so I don't see how it would be all that different if someone else did one.

 Yes, but that is a job for someone else ;)

CatBus said:

I noticed the Episode V crawl doesn't appear to have as much "light bleed" around the letters in the Grindhouse release.  Could this just be due to the brightness/color balance being different, or is this really sharper than the Blu-ray/DeEdv2 crawl?  If it is, I wonder what they did during the transfer to make it bleed like that.

I'm pretty sure it's just the levels and color difference.