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Any thoughts on the AoS midseason finale?

Yeah, I really didn't know that it was actually working towards one of the movies, since I never read a Marvel comic, except for "1602" by Neil Gaiman. But I read an article about the connection so I'm more excited now than I was, when I actually watched it.

Oh and if you add this into the mix it gets even more interesting. http://screenrant.com/marvel-spider-man-movie-casting-actor-garfield-maguire/

I am.

Okay first what the series does right, it has 1940s music, it's lit like an early colour film, and they cast actors who are not hollywood pretty boys and look like character actors from the 1940s.

Now what this series does wrong, it is the worst most hamfisted written series I have seen in a long time.  It is clearly written by men trying impress woman. All the male characters are sexist idiots just because they happen to live in the 1940s, every single one of them. I know sexism was all over the place but if you look at films from this time period the female heroes were not treated this badly, just listen to some old Superman radio shows, or the shadow, or watch any number of films or shorts.  What is more they don't have a braincell between them.  I know the hero has to be smarter then everyone around them but if the people around them are written too stupid it just comes off as fake and that is the problem here. Also Agent Carter is way too perfect and doesn't make a single mistake so there is no suspense. True suspense comes from having heroes who can screw up and get things wrong from time to time, I mean look at any much love hero and will see someone who is over their head most of the time and staying just half a step ahead of disaster.  Oh and then there is the scene where she threatens to murder a man because he is rude to a waitress. Now don't get me wrong the guy was a jerk but in a world where people get mad at Superman for killing Zod after he killed tens of thousands of people are we really supposed to cheer when a female hero threatens to murder a guy for being rude?! Am I supposed to like this person at all?!  I guess maybe extreme violence and cold blooded murder is okay when a woman does it to a man because all men are evil?

So in short this show's world view is the same as cheap 70s rape revenge films,all men are stupid, evil, rapists who woman need to kill.  There is no chemistry in the cast, the story has no suspense because we know Howard Stark is okay later and this series goes way overboard making all the male characters look bad just so they can make the female lead look better.  You don't have to do it that way.  I don't think the writers have any real respect for woman because they seem to think that woman can't stand out as good leads unless all the male characters are made to look evil and stupid. Hey here is an idea if you want your female character to work, why not write everyone as a character and not a stereotype and then have the character who is smarter then the rest just happen to be a woman, you know like how they wrote Ripley in Alien, or how Agent Carter herself was written in the first Captain America movie.  They didn't have to make Captain America useless in that movie to get the point across that she was a good agent, so why are they doing it now.

I am sorry this sort of thing doesn't normally bug me but all of the male leads are so useless I feel like I am reading bad fan fiction written by a teenage boy trying to get into a girl's pants and not the writings of someone who has any real respect for woman at all.  The sexism on this show just goes way too far over the top and makes everything feel fake and stupid.  I wasn't even able to finish the pilot and I will not be tuning in again.

I was really looking forward to this show, it looked like it could be my favorite think in the MCU but the heavy handed writing and a plot that only has suspense if you forget that Howard Stark is okay in the future killed it.  ABC you could have had something great here but you killed it.  Maybe next time you should try hiring some female writers and producers to run your show with a female lead and they will not feel the need to impress anyone and write the characters as a characters and will write a female lead with some depth beyond being harassed and threatening people with cold blooded murder.

Let me put it this way I am a man and man times in my life I have when out in public had woman that I don't know reach out and touch my butt, so according to this show do I have the right to slit their throats with a knife?  Of course not that would be a complete over reaction!  Still that was the big moment that was supposed to get a cheer in the pilot of this series????  Fail!

This series should have been great bud sadly for this viewer it crashed and burned and this is coming from someone who liked the pilot of AOS.  Avoid this show, Supernatural and The Flash are on opposite this show and they are what I will be watching in coming weeks, they are a much better use of my time.

Sorry if this upsets anyone but it's just how I feel.  This show just doesn't work.

. . . so anyway, people who aren't prone to hyperbolic paranoia about 'reverse sexism' should definitely give Agent Carter a shot, because it's a fun show about a cool character, and in no way promotes a man-hating agenda.

So you think woman should be allowed to murder men in the street if they say the men are sexist? Fine the next time a woman touches my butt in public I will put a knife in her throat and see if the police agree.

Also I have a thick skin for this sort of thing, my favorite companion on Doctor Who is Sarah Jane Smith and you should see her early episodes.

What I saw last night was just so heavy handed it just made the whole world feel fake and made up, I don't care what the message was they were trying to send out I would have still found that they laid it on way too thick.  I haven't seen a series preach like this to the point where it destroys it's own world and does damage to it's story since season one TNG.  I am sorry if this upsets you but I found it to be really preachy and badly written. I'm sorry but it also went so far over the top that it was just painful to watch in a show that was supposed to be fun, every time a male character opened his mouth or did anything I just cringed and it destroyed all mood and sense of fun this series was trying to have, sorry if this upsets you.

Now add to that problem the fact that this series has the standard problems all prequels have where you know how everything is going to turn out and the series lacks all tension and just puts the viewer to sleep.

If they want me to care about this series they need to do something to give it some sort of tension.  I can't believe I am saying this but maybe they need to take a page from Enterprise's play book and introduce a time traveling super villain so we can't be sure how things will turn out and there is some tension.

The fact is the way the series preaches at the viewer is just the straw that broke the camel's back, this series would still be DOA without that due to the fact that there is no reason for the viewer to care what is happening on screen  It's too bad because this was looking like one of the few bright spots on TV this season.

Well, I loved the premiere, and didn't think it was preachy or heavy-handed at all.

Also, for anyone wondering, the producers have said that the first season takes place before the One-Shot. I don't know if that means a theoretical second season would take place after it, or if the series as a whole will take place before, but I'd lean toward the former.

The fact that you seriously think she intended to kill that guy negates the validity of your entire argument.

If you can't tell it was only intended to scare him, or that the scene itself was played for laughs and not entirely serious, then your entire perception of the world is alarmingly warped, to put it mildly.

hairy_hen said:

The fact that you seriously think she intended to kill that guy negates the validity of your entire argument.

If you can't tell it was only intended to scare him, or that the scene itself was played for laughs and not entirely serious, then your entire perception of the world is alarmingly warped, to put it mildly.

 So if it had been a man threatening a woman you would have been fine with it? 

If someone came up and did that to you in public would you expect the police to tell you to laugh it off?

So in your view the next time a woman hits on me it is okay for me to pull out a deadly weapon and threaten her life and the police will no right to get involved?  That is good to know.

What she did was a crime and her character showed that she is completely unstable and should be in jail.  The character is clearly insane and has major issues and I don't like her so I will not be tuning in.

If that scene was so funny when is ABC going to launch it's new laugh riot sitcom that is nothing but a man beating a woman's face in with a tire iron.  I mean if threatening to kill a man for one scene was so funny then beating a woman in the face for thirty minutes should be the greatest piece of comedy ever made.

I noticed that too, which I thought was odd. That's actually why I went and looked up how the One-Shot fits in with the series.