Is the Hobbit prequel trilogy suffering the same problems as the Star Wars prequel Trilogy? — Page 7

Oh good, more of this.

Hey, it's not my fault the system is destroying Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, and DC Superheroes. And do we really trust the man who made Star Trek Into Darkness with The Force Awakens?

There's zero chance JJ Abrams will ever make a film as good as ROTJ, let alone Empire or Star Wars, but there's also very little chance he will ever make as bad a film as any of the prequels.

Then why is Star Trek Into Darkness considered the worst Star Trek movie ever? Is anyone worried that Star Trek has become the Fast and Furious in space? How would you feel if something like Plato's republic or James Joyce's Ulysses was turned into a dumb action movie for teenage boys? It's a shame that the depth of TOS and TNG is now considered unmarketable to the studio heads who are going to just pander to the Chinese market anyways. You can't even get the good indie films at your local theater anymore. 

At best the SW franchise is Three out of Seven by the end of the year.

generalfrevious said:

Hey, it's not my fault the system is destroying Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, and DC Superheroes. And do we really trust the man who made Star Trek Into Darkness with The Force Awakens?

 Oh good, this again.

generalfrevious said:

Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities.

Comparing what is bound to be a soulless piece of crap with historical film footage of educational value?

generalfrevious said:

Then why is Star Trek Into Darkness considered the worst Star Trek movie ever? Is anyone worried that Star Trek has become the Fast and Furious in space? How would you feel if something like Plato's republic or James Joyce's Ulysses was turned into a dumb action movie for teenage boys?

SW already got ruined by the prequels. You can't trash the franchise any more than that. Rejoice in the fact that they will be lost films in 100 years, as will whatever new ones get made. The originals will live on.

Ah, but frevious thinks everyone'll be dead in 100 years, so it's a moot point to him.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ah, but frevious thinks everyone'll be dead in 100 years, so it's a moot point to him.

 But won't we all be dead in 100 years?

Yes, but not all of us will end up going to Heaven. Some of us will end up in Hell, where we'll be forced to watch the PT over-and-over again for all of eternity.

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

Handman said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ah, but frevious thinks everyone'll be dead in 100 years, so it's a moot point to him.

 But won't we all be dead in 100 years?

I plan to live forever.

:)

generalfrevious said:

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

If someone butchers something you love, you butcher them right back -- through art!

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities.

Comparing what is bound to be a soulless piece of crap with historical film footage of educational value?

 I only made that comparison in the first place because Zack Snyder put facist undertones in Man Of Steel. I didn't resort to Godwin's law out of a whim.

Nah.  The Hobbit tries to tie  in with Lord of the Rings when it shouldn't, the prequels didn't try to tie in with Star Wars when they really should have.

You know, maybe Jackson should have made the Hobbit first in the late 90s. It could have been a more restrained film than what we got, and if the Tolkien estate didn't like it they could have handed the reins for LOTR to a more reliable director. At least Zack Snyder or Justin Lin wasn't behind the wheel for this project.

generalfrevious said:

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

 Well, The Hobbit was never really a though-provoking work, just a kid's fairy tale.

generalfrevious said:

You know, maybe Jackson should have made the Hobbit first in the late 90s. It could have been a more restrained film than what we got, and if the Tolkien estate didn't like it they could have handed the reins for LOTR to a more reliable director. At least Zack Snyder or Justin Lin wasn't behind the wheel for this project.

At the very least he tried to, even if it never happened.

Wazzles said:

generalfrevious said:

But to stay on topic, didn't Peter Jackson do to the Hobbit what Orci and Kurtzman did to Star Trek, turning thought provoking works into mindless action schlock? Is anyone afraid that Jackson could spend the rest of his life butchering the rest of Tolkien's work in the same vein?

 Well, The Hobbit was never really a though-provoking work, just a kid's fairy tale.

Peter Jackson still missed the point by making it a bloated nine-hour trilogy.

generalfrevious said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities.

Comparing what is bound to be a soulless piece of crap with historical film footage of educational value?

 I only made that comparison in the first place because Zack Snyder put facist undertones in Man Of Steel. I didn't resort to Godwin's law out of a whim.

*sigh* Now I'm forced to use a meme from the Nolan Batman films, and I hate referencing those movies.

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

Superman vs Batman: Dawn Of Justice will easily become the highest grossing film of next year in spite of being equivalent to watching newsreel footage of WWII atrocities.

Comparing what is bound to be a soulless piece of crap with historical film footage of educational value?

 I only made that comparison in the first place because Zack Snyder put facist undertones in Man Of Steel. I didn't resort to Godwin's law out of a whim.

*sigh* Now I'm forced to use a meme from the Nolan Batman films, and I hate referencing those movies.

 

You should ask the people who made of Man Of Steel that question. 

Batman vs Superman Dawn Of Justice is going to be a major slog to sit through though.

I just got back from BotFA.  It was pretty great.  The answer to the thread title is an unqualified no.

^Pics or it didn't happen.

Now the question is: were the Hobbit movies faithful to the book?

Didn't matter to me.