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One: There is no reason to cuss like a madman, Reg. I have gone out of my way to be respectful of you and you only debase yourself that way.

Second: You are comparing my ideaology with theirs? My "ideaology" says that God wants everyone to be free to choose their own way even if He doesn't like it--as long as they don't interfere with other's on that choice. They say that if you aren't Islam then they'll kill you. And it is offensive that you would even dream of saying that the Right is the same as terrorists because we both have ideaology. And I honestly don't give a crap if the terrorists think we are terrorists because I know--and anybody with.. YES, a moral compass knows that.

And now what are you talking about? Again... I am not advocating any fairy tales here. I trust neither Cinderella nor suicide to take me to heaven, and I'm not the one going around pretending God doesn't exist just so I don't have to obey Him. And again, I didn't call Islam itself a ridiculous religion. I was refferring to the terrorist extremist form of Islam that says "jihad" amounts to killing as many civilians as possible. The energies of the world would be better spent helping the middle east, but they won't let us do that because of the power-hungry dictator's and despots that opress their own people. I don't advocate killing muslims. I advocate destroying Islamic states. I thought that freedom of(or from) religion was important to liberals.

Shim... Thank you for not being a prick. And I am well aware that racism and... Well... the allies played a big part in the turmoil that now engulfs the middle east. But why bring that up as if it is my generation's fault? Like the fact that we are allready in Iraq, making the question of whether we should have gone or not irrelevant, we can't change the past. And yeah, life sucks for the middle east. But that isn't going to change as long as they are shackled by their corrupt and despotic pseudo-theocracies.

And I am aware that America set up more than a few of these despots. Again, it is a past mistake and one we are paying for dearly now. But, if you'll remember, there was a much bigger problem than the middle east during those years. And nothing we did in the past is justification for the kind of hatered for the West that would drive the 9-11 attacks. I think you miss the point of this war. This war is designed to get rid of the fanatics. To get rid of the ones who want to murder us! If the middle east was free then this wouldn't be a problem. But of course, that isn't going to happen anytime soon unless by miracle or satanic design.

The truth is, as I am sure you know, there is no easy solution to the problem of terrorism. But backing down and letting them have their way is not it. Now the question of whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is irrelevent, because we are there. And who can you trust to win the war? If the answer isn't obvious, then you have obvioulsy decieved yourself.

Whoa. Brainbust at 3AM.... I probably will be off soon.

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Terrorists are not born, as you seem to think, but rather made. Imperialistic American interventionism in the Middle East is creating more terrorists for the next generation than are being stopped now.

Terrorism is an act of desperation by people who feel they've run out of options, it's not a career choice. I am not defending the despicable actions taken by desperate people but the way you see the situation is so far from the truth that it would almost be amusing if only you were the only person who thought that way Chaltab. There are extremists on both sides but naturally having swallowed the party line you're willing to paint the many with the actions of the visible few. And I suppose it's easy enough to do if you never bother to look into things beyond what you've been told to believe and I can see how that would lead to someone just repeating what they've been told as the fact of the matter. As if either side can see the truth from where they're standing.

Unfortunately if this war was designed to rid the world of fanatics you will see that in twenty years it will have succeeded only in doing the opposite.

I don't feel sorry for terrorists, but I do feel sorry for the children of today who will one day become terrorists.

Apart from the few Islamic extremists you speak of with their Fatwas and Jihads most terrorists are ordinary people pushed to the limit and then taken advantage of by these groups which yes must be destroyed so go after the source Saudi Arabia if you think you can handle the economic consequences.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Now for some fun stuff:

Good To Be In D.C.

George works HARD for "The Money"

Dubya learns to read elementary school level English "The - Fast - Way" while America is under attack on September the 11th 2001

The Reader's Digest version of Bush's responses in the fisrt debate.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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See.
I agree with a lot of what you said in your last post(without the links), which is why I still don't understand your position. And, yeah, I advocate going after terrorists in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere. And I never said or seem to think that terrorists are born. If the middle east wasn't comprised of third-world autocracies, then fewer terrorist would be made though.
The whole ideal behind my view is that if there aren't any governments or groups that advocate terror, then the terrorist 'Production" will decrease--or rather, hopefully cease altogether. But nobody is saying it will be easy or short. It will take time, effort and sacrifice. And I am not "swallowing" party "line." I assure you I've had my own doubts about the war on terror...
Also, I am not talking about eliminating all fanatical muslims--just those devoted enough to murder.

And maybe the president is waiting for reelction to go after Saudi terrorists. Just a thought, but because it is obvious (to me at least) that reguardless of what else you think of Bush, Kerry is not fit to lead the nation. If we did go into Arabia and the economy did suffer, then Bush would have almost no chance at reelection. And although I'm sure you'd love that aftereffect, it would be disasterous for the war on terror and for whatever would be left of the economy.*

*If I made a huge mistake here, forgive me. I am definitely thinking under pressure here.

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Of course I don't want to see the American economy crumble, although if it dips a bit it is good for me because it means I can buy more American crap to fill my house with.

And crumble it would if any president dared take action against the Saudis, which is why it'll never ever happen (unless of course we no longer have need of their oil).

But it might be a risk worth taking in the long run if it's even possible.

We've kind of slipped away again from the fun that this topic was supposed to be, you have that effect sometimes, but I would like to know what you're using as the basis for your belief that Kerry is unfit to lead America.

I really would like to know upon what you are basing this claim.

And would it kill you to post some kind of fun video poking fun at Kerry or Bush or whomever you like while your at it?
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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You know. I had constructed a rather coherent explanation of why I think Kerry would make a bad president. But my other open browser window froze up and Internet explorer crashed.

And I cannot tell you how sick of politics I am right now. I just can't wait for this election to be over. If you wan't to know why I don't like Kerry, read "Unfit for Command" , "Deliver Us From Evil" or just listen to the Rush Limbaugh show for a few minutes.

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screw rush limbaugh, figuratively speaking of course, Glenn Beck all the way....
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he is a conservative talk show host, a very humorus one. Like most things in life, i dont agree with everythig that he says, but he makes me laugh...

check him out here...

glenn beck

one quick point.

If Bush is so evil and killing all the troops then why does 78% of the military support him?
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Beacuse they need the money.

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Because they see more than just the bad news in Iraq, and they observe first hand--and take part in--the sucsesses.

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Originally posted by: Kingsama
he is a conservative talk show host, a very humorus one. Like most things in life, i dont agree with everythig that he says, but he makes me laugh...

check him out here...

glenn beck

one quick point.

If Bush is so evil and killing all the troops then why does 78% of the military support him?


maybe is because he is the president
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I don't think a man being the president has ever stopped anyone from voting against him....

The military knows that Bush knows what he is doing, and they know that Kerry has continually blamed all the percieved failures of the military on Bush. Think about it. Every thing the left blames on Bush is really a problem that the military didn't solve--because war is unpredictable, and things screw up, and it is the fault of no-one but the terrorists.

I don't trust Kerry, and I doubt the soldiers do either...

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the point Sean is trying to make is that. People in the military tend to hold a high regard for the office of the Presidency and because the holder of the office is their supreme commander and chief they tend to be loyal and support him. Even if the facts say he is in the wrong they will support him because they feel it is their duty to support him.
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Perhaps you are right, but I would hope that our soldiers are better at thinking for themselves than that.
Just my two cents, anyway.

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just a voltaire thought... wouldnt it be great if everybody voted Nader or blank...
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."
Qui-Gon Jinn (R.I.P.)
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Perhaps you are right, but I would hope that our soldiers are better at thinking for themselves than that.
Just my two cents, anyway.


Soldiers aren't trained to think for themselves, in fact they are selected for precisely their abilities to follow orders without thinking or questioning their superior officers.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Fair point, but during clintons two terms, the us military showed simular numbers of disapproval.

As an example of this, watch old videos of Clinton walking by Marines and other armed forces personel, he was rarely saluted. It is only required that members of the armed forces stand at attention when the President Passes by, it is not required for them to salute. They only do so out of choice and out of respect. By and large the US militarypersonal do salute Bush.

And Reg though i see the angle you are coming from, i greatly disagree that our soldiers dont think, you should meet some of them. The thing that they are taught is duty. There are no doubt soldiers in Iraq right now that disagree with the war, but they understand what they chose to sign up for, and are willing to complete there duty as long as they are not ordered to commit hanus crimes. Its about honor and fulfilling what you swore to fulfill. Those same soldiers are not going to be blind sheep and answer on an opinion pole that they aprove of Bush if they dont.

I personally know a number of people that disagreed with the clinton policies in somalia, but still fulfilled there duty...
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Sure. Everything posted in a forum is 100% acurate. Besides, aviation has as little to do with presidency as service in Vietnam.


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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Perhaps you are right, but I would hope that our soldiers are better at thinking for themselves than that.
Just my two cents, anyway.


Soldiers aren't trained to think for themselves, in fact they are selected for precisely their abilities to follow orders without thinking or questioning their superior officers.


Maybe in Austrailia it happens that way, but in America, the soldiers are those who excell at thinking on their feet and stuff like that. You can't send an bunch of idiots into battle with high-tech gadgets and expect them to win.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Sure. Everything posted in a forum is 100% acurate. Besides, aviation has as little to do with presidency as service in Vietnam.

And who said this is 100% truth? I just wanted to show this post to you guys as a voice in our debate. In a debate conducted on sci-fi forum... does it mean that Star Wars geeks shouldn't be treated seriously, just as those aviation fans?

Oh, yes, I "forgot Poland", too.
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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Granted.

But still, Bush's CO's word, I think, ought to be good enough.

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It looks like Bush will be back to mislead America for fore mouire years!!!

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Detecting Shimmy-isms in Darth Chaltab's posts. Fearing contamination.






Whaddya say, Manglers? ROAD TRIP?

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.