4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 59

Oh, man. What kind of tangent did I get this thread into?

To get things back on topic, let me just say that the prospect of a 4k blu-ray format hitting the market by the end of 2015 makes me wonder how Disney might handle an OOT release leading up to Ep7 (if they choose to do so).

It might actually be a good idea to get a blu-ray release out of the way by September. They'd make a killing on the 1080p blu-ray just in time for a new format to show up. If they wait any longer, there will be more people who will hold off until they can just buy it in 4k. Look at what happened to dvd sales once hd dvd and blu-ray showed up.

The timing of the GOUT's release is worth considering in the context of looming new formats...

Mike O said:

Alderaan said:

Fang Zei said:

It's a sign that physical media is sticking around for at least a little longer.

 Physical media will always be around. There will always be a market for it.

Digital d/l and physical are not an either/or proposition.

 Yeah, but the market is going to become what it is in Japan: astronomically high prices for everything physical. It's already shifting that way with Twilight Time catalog titles.

 That makes no sense.  The presence of digital is an extreme downward influence on the price of physical.

The prices in Japan are based strictly on demand tolerances--in other words Japanese people are willing to pay more because they derive higher subjective marginal utility values from audio/visual media, and manufacturers can therefore price products accordingly.  Has absolutely nothing to do with digital alternatives.

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 Yeah, but the market is going to become what it is in Japan: astronomically high prices for everything physical. It's already shifting that way with Twilight Time catalog titles.

I see very little evidence that BD is dying, only that it isn't the first choice for something to be released -- but it never was in the first place, anyway.

Eventually, everything gets a physical release, and I doubt that will change so long as we keep buying them.

When does this official 4k come out on physical media?

TV's Frink said:

When does this official 4k come out on physical media?

 As soon as the official 4k is officially announced, we'll know when it officially comes out on official Blu-ray discs.

Ok, but what about other forms of physical media, like digital downloads?

TV's Frink said:

Ok, but what about other forms of physical media, like digital downloads?

         It's copywrite law that is sustaining these outmoded legacy media forms.

         The law is supposed to serve the consumers, ultimately. Instead it is serving established big media interests. They are deliberately confusing the market and limiting availability.

         It wouldn't require much to alter the law to allow internet streaming services to provide one-stop-shopping for all popular films, tv series, and music.

         Normally, I want as little interference from govmint as possible. But there are cases where the gov can empower the individual to make the purchases they would make anyway with greater efficiency and for greater quality.

        Everyone could receive a certain number of credits to spend on the media content of their choice. The big content generaters could be given a few years to make the big bucks and then paid to make digital forms for the net. Downloads could be monitored to pay content makers. The ten or twelve most improtant artists involved could be identified and ensured of royalties.

      All we would need is more taxes and debt :/

And stuff like this is why I consider myself a moderate neo-Luddite.

Wow.

imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

imperialscum said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I for one will never purchase any film unless I get a physical copy.

I hate to be Ric again but even if you download the digital content on your hard disk, you get a physical copy. The information is stored physically on your disk.

 If I buy the movie Speed 2: Cruise Control on Itunes, I do not get a physical copy; I get a digital file of the film that I store on a hard drive that I already own. If I buy it on blu ray, then I get a physical copy of the film... not that I would ever spend money on Speed 2: Cruise Control. 

Or at least that's how it works in my brain

But that is not how it works outside of you brain. Blu-ray or hard disk, both are physical devices that hold digital data.

 The part that you are buying for that movie is digital.

The part that you are buying for a blu ray is digital, on a physical medium.

I can't tell if you're actually having a difficult time understanding a ridiculously simple concept. The entire point of the discrepancy and terminology is that, if you are not buying physical medium (and instead supplying your own physical medium), the data must be transferred electronically through what we call the Information Super Highway. The files are then typically DRM-filled and lower bitrate, again, because you didn't buy them on a physical medium (we are not counting a harddrive that, again, you already own). 

There is a worthwhile and important distinction between the two delivery mechanisms. The fact that they're both digital, and they both at some point involve something physical, suggests to you that not only should the terms not be used, but we should not discern between these two media forms, one of which being consistently crippled due to its delivery format. 

While they could, in theory, provide you (digitally), the exact same encoding (bitrate, filesize and all) of a movie and all its extras, that will never happen in the real world. The distinction between the two delivery formats only breaks down when pirating complete blu ray ISOs. 

imperialscum said:

He said "buying physical copy"... post below:

moviefreakedmind said:

 I for one will never purchase any film unless I get a physical copy.

Downloading the copy to your hard disk or buying it on DVD is both buying physical copy. At no point it becomes a non-physical copy.

In the first case, the physical copy stored on the company server's hard disk is being transferred (over the internet, physically non-the-less) to your PC's hard disk where it is again a physical copy that you bought.

In the second case, the physical copy stored on the company server's hard disk is being transferred to the DVD which you then buy.

I am quite certain that a non-physical copy of anything cannot exist. Maybe some magic in fairytales.

 A higher bitrate copy that you actually own, rather than lease, and won't expire when a company folds or gets bought out or changes their business model. 

You're not the brightest person.

imperialscum said:

I am not really certain whether I am the brightest person. You know, I could be the second brightest person.

Well, how many lux are you? Just measure and compare, then you will know if you are brighter or not.

imperialscum said:

Downloading the copy to your hard disk or buying it on DVD is both buying physical copy. At no point it becomes a non-physical copy.

I'm pretty sure I'm feeding a troll here -- I don't think that this guy is really this obtuse.  Anyway, the term is clearly defined in the Digital Copy wiki.  A file on your hard drive is NOT a physical copy, as the term is understood:

A Digital Copy is a commercially distributed computer file containing a media product such as a film or music album. The term contrasts this computer file with the physical copy(typically a DVD or Blu-ray Disc) with which the Digital Copy is usually offered as part of a bundle