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An exaggeration?

exaggeration, to exaggerate:
To represent as greater than is actually the case; to overstate.

Nope. Not an exaggeration. More like the truth, mortal enemy of the lie.

I'd like to see this thread become not so much a futile debate between opposing ideologies but more of a place to post VIDEO or AUDIO files (or text if you must be so archaic) of either side of the fence caught in a lie.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Obviously he was manipulated into that situation Reg. Shame on you and the liberal media for trying to make it seem like he was lying or misleading anyone. *tongue in cheek*

In all seriousness, they showed that clip after the debate. Part of a segment about "truth of claims" or somesuch. I was very glad to see it, and I just hope that enough people were still watching to see it.

Sorry this reply contains no media, just drivel. Thanks.
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How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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The head is unproportional to the body.
I just hate stupid people.

GO JETS!!!!

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I just hate stupid people.

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Further to those so called 'exaggerations':

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Now onto Iraq.

Rummy: An Immediate Threat

Some boring text.

Nuclear Weapons in Iraq

Assertion: In September 2002 Bush said, “I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied—finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic—the IAEA, that they were six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon. I don’t know what more evidence we need.” And on Meet the Press in March 2002, Cheney clearly claimed that Iraq was already in possession of “reconstituted nuclear weapons.”
Truth: In fact, the estimate to which Bush was referring was more than a decade old and was made before Iraq’s military capabilities were decimated in the Gulf War. Cheney later admitted that his claim, which contributed to the push for war, was false. (Pages 254, 263) From
The ABCs of W.

Bush Administration Spends Week Retracting Assertions about Saddam's Threat to the U.S.

The Bush administration this week backed away from three major rationales for going to war in Iraq last March, undermining its assertions that Hussein's Iraq posed an imminent threat to the United States and its allies.
September 11th
As recently as Sunday, Vice President Cheney, claimed that on the question of Saddam Hussein's involvement in September 11th, "We just don't know."1 But within days, both President Bush and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld each admitted there was no evidence that Hussein had any connection. On Wednesday, Bush maintained there was "no evidence" that Hussein was involved.2 Two days later, Rumsfeld, said, "I've not seen any indication that would lead me to believe that I could say that."3
Yet in March, Hussein's possible involvement in the terrorist attacks garnered support for the war from many Americans. At the time, the widely reported meeting between 9/11 planner Mohammed Atta and Iraq's security chief in Prague a few months before the attack was found by the CIA not to be credible.4
'Reconstituted Nuclear Weapons Program'
Recently, Cheney backed away from the assertion he made three days before the war began, that the strongest reason for going to war was that "we believe [Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."5 But the International Atomic Energy Agency reported two weeks before that , "There was no indication of resumed nuclear activities."6 And six months later on Meet the Press, Cheney said simply, "I misspoke."7
Weapons of Mass Destruction
This week, Rumsfeld reversed earlier statements claiming that the U.S. knew where Iraq's weapons of destruction were located. When asked why the weapons hadn't been found, this past Tuesday Rumsfeld said, "What do you mean? You're talking about a country the size of California."8 Yet months ago, just two weeks into the war, Rumsfeld said, "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."9 From The Daily Misleader.

Not There From Operation Truth.

The mellifluous tones of Jesse Ventura.

There's some fun Flash files here. The site is heavily biased but so are all the above sites, (biased towards the truth that is. )

And just so I don't get accused of being a total Commie bastard here's some Nazi propaganda too Kerry 'Lied'. Personally I fail to see how speaking out against the well documented atrocities that were committed during a wasteful and futile ground war in Vietnam can be construed as a lie but it does make him seem like a bit of a 'peacenik'... "Damned liberal hippy". The ad is the same old Republican rhetoric which anyone familiar with Jimbo's regurgitations would have heard a hundred times already followed by a really stunning collection of Vietnam war photojournalism and heartstring music designed to make one angry that a man could turn his back on his fellow soldiers when that is far from the truth.

It's interesting to note that the best the reds can come up with to attack the blues with are so called 'lies' (from a certain point of view) made some thirty years ago by an angry young man who served his country. Kerry served in Vietnam during a time when the current leader was whooping it up with hookers and cocaine instead of reporting for his soft option duty in the Texas Air National Guard.

Whether Kerry lied or not about the monstrous actions taken by some soldiers during the war the truth is that Bush is still lying.

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Bush Lies about watching plane hit:

QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?
BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)
Thank you, Jordan (ph).
Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

There is a problem with the above statement. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of that first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second plane had hit.


Since they can't seem to make Bush look good all they can try is to level the playing field by dragging Kerry's image down to meet Bush's.

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
An exaggeration?

exaggeration, to exaggerate:
To represent as greater than is actually the case; to overstate.

Nope. Not an exaggeration. More like the truth, mortal enemy of the lie.

I'd like to see this thread become not so much a futile debate between opposing ideologies but more of a place to post VIDEO or AUDIO files (or text if you must be so archaic) of either side of the fence caught in a lie.


My computer's sound card is completely fried, but if this is what I think it is, then, yeah, the liberal media is taking out of context.

Bush said that he isn't worried about bin Laden--he should be worried about us. That doesn't mean we aren't trying to catch him--but he belived to be in Pakistan where the troops aren't allowed.

Besides, Reg. Why do you, an Austrailian, care if he was misleading America. Isn't it sort of our problem.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
My computer's sound card is completely fried, but if this is what I think it is, then, yeah, the liberal media is taking out of context.

Bush said that he isn't worried about bin Laden--he should be worried about us. That doesn't mean we aren't trying to catch him--but he belived to be in Pakistan where the troops aren't allowed.


"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

What was that again?

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Besides, Reg. Why do you, an Austrailian, care if he was misleading America. Isn't it sort of our problem.


Well I wish it was only your problem but unfortunately the job is self described as the leader of the free world and our toadying Prime Minister has his tongue so far up Bush's behind he doesn't seem to make any decision that his boss would disagree with, lest Bush should go over the UN's head and just bomb us too for not being with him and therefore being against him.

Truly I could care less who governs any other country in the world but like it or not the influence of the new Roman Empire extends far and wide and he who Presides over America Presides over the world. When the wrong man is in charge innocent people in far off countries die horrible deaths. They ought to just rename the position Emperor of Earth which it is until some other country steps up to the plate to play world policeman.

George W Bush is bad for America and what's bad for America is bad for the world.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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The only problem with that assessment is that Bush isn't bad for America.

He is leading and has led this nation through one of the worst attacks in our history. Through effective use of the armed forces, he has eliminated two rogue nations, one a terrorsit anarchy and the other a terrorist despotitsm, and is turning them into free democratic nations--arab allies in the middle east for the first time since Carter lost Iran. He has cut taxes, promoting prosperity. He has passed education bills that might finally do something to fix America's mess of a public school system. He is also fighting the fringe cooks and minorities that want to remake marriage into their perverted union and taking a stance for freedom of Religion rather than forcing freedom from religion.

I'm not saying that he is a perfect president--there are several things I disagree with him on. It is valid to say he hasn't cut enough spending, hasn't reformed medicare enough. I'm not sure about the outsourcing of jobs, but he did go to an ivy league school, so I'm sure he knows more about economics than the average Joe or Reg...

Now. If he lied, then yeah, he did something wrong. But I must point out that the media doesn't seam to care that Clinton lied about his adultery under oath. This is among the many things that make me believe that the media in the US is vehemetnly anti-republican, and therefore, I don't trust most of the news.

Anyway. It is after midnight here, so I am gone...

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Call me a prude if you will but I still maintain that lies which lead to sperm stains are far less troublesome than lies which lead to blood stains.

Exhibit A:
One large blue dress with sperm and saliva stains.


Exhibit B:
5000 approx Iraqi civilians killed since invasion
14000 approx Iraqi civilian casualties since invasion

1250 approx Coalition soldiers killed since invasion
8100 approx Coalition soldier casualties since invasion


I don't know about you but I know which lie I find more offensive and it has nothing to do with getting a blowjob from a heavy chick in the oval office.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Brilliant Reg....

- Disturbing, Shocking and Frighteningly too true - It's starting to remind me of 1930's Europe.

Live FREE not caged!

Free Speech Zone "Pen" at DNC 2004


"Free Speech Zone"

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Amazing.

I saw a Stephen Colbert story on The Daily Show a while ago about the 'Free Speech' Zones for protesters and I thought they were kidding. He dragged a cop along to test the limits of his freedom within the zone, it was hilarious. Wow talk about an Orwellian state.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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They had similar zones @ the WTO conference in Montreal. One of my profs (in undergrad) got arrested for breaking down a barricade.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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I think its important to understand that the President of the US has a lot of influence over things in just about every nation of the world. So it may be of significant importance for Regicidal to talk about this...not to mention, somebody has to get this stuff seen by Americans. You definitely dont see enough of it on our television networks, etc.
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True and I congratulate this Bush administration for correcting a mistake made by Bush Sr, Rummy and Cheney in the 1970s, 80s and 90s.

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Villains like Saddam Hussein are made in the U.S. as rationale for endless corporate war profits. Saddam was placed in power by the CIA. For years U.S. government agencies, under auspices of George Bush Sr., supplied him with chemical and biological weapons. Our national nuclear laboratories, along with Unisys, Dupont and Hewlett-Packard, sold Saddam materials for his nuclear program. Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton in the late 90s when its subsidiaries signed $73 million in new contracts to further supply Saddam. The wicked villain of Iraq was nurtured for decades as a cash-cow by U.S. military-industrial piranhas.

Wall Street Journal, 8-16-90: The CIA supported the Baath Party and installed Hussein as Iraqi dictator in 1968.

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CIA review finds no evidence Saddam had ties to Islamic terrorists

I object only to the lies used as justification for invasion and occupation of Iraq and the fabrication of a connection to September 11th. Is this administration teaching our children that the end always justifies the means? Because that is the logic of the Islamic terror groups also.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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The thing is, Reg, that nobody wants these casualties and they are indeed tragic. But how is it any different than what Hussein himself would have done? My sympathy goes out to anyone who has lost anybody in this war, but what about sympathy for the people Hussein put through a meat grider? What about his son's cutting off womens bodyparts just because they refused to pleasure him? Why do you not have sympathy for them? Now, I am well aware that you likely do/did. I am not accusing you of lack of sympathy, but demonstrating that you are acting as if we don't care that there are civilians and soldiers dying. I assure you that I do.
But what would you have done? Let Husseing continue to rule Iraq? Did you not see the mass graves? Or assassinate Hussein, likely causing a civil war? The fact is that change for the better often requires pain and sacrifice.

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I object only to the lies used as justification for invasion and occupation of Iraq and the fabrication of a connection to September 11th. Is this administration teaching our children that the end always justifies the means? Because that is the logic of the Islamic terror groups also.


There are two points I want to make. One, is that there was no fabrication of a connection to 9-11. The connection was that there were Al-Quaeda leaders in Baghdad and other places in Iraq, even training terrorists, and from the beginning Bush said we would go after all nations that harbor terrorists. Iraq has violated sanctions for years, and I believe that the president honestly thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and I read a report in a democratic newspaper that indicated that Saddam even wanted us to belive they were there so we'd stay out in fear out of them using them.

Two. Even if the end were to justify the means, the Ends are completely different. Terrorists seek to opress, America seeks to free. Terrorists spew hate; America excecutes justice. Terrorist target civilians. We target only terrorists. And sometimes we miss, and when we do, it is allways a tragedy. All we really have control over is our intentions.


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Even if the end were to justify the means, the Ends are completely different. Terrorists seek to opress, America seeks to free. Terrorists spew hate; America excecutes justice. Terrorist target civilians. We target only terrorists. And sometimes we miss, and when we do, it is allways a tragedy.


This depends on whose point of view you are seing things from.

Both sides fall prey to the same linguistic othering of their enemy in opposition to what they see as 'right' as you just did.

The following list of othering expressions all come from British press coverage of the 1991 Gulf War:

We launch... ************************************************* They launch...
first-strikes ************************************************** sneak missile attacks
pre-emptive ************************************************* without provocation

Our men are... ********************************************** Their men are...
professionals ************************************************ brainwashed
lion hearts ************************************************** paper tigers
cautious **************************************************** cowardly
confident *************************************************** desperate
heroes ***************************************************** cornered
dare devils ************************************************** cannon fodder
young knights of the sky ************************************** bastards of Baghdad
loyal ******************************************************* blindly obedient
desert rats ************************************************** mad dogs
resolute **************************************************** ruthless
brave ****************************************************** fanatical

Our boys are motivated by... ********************************** Their boys are motivated by...
an old fashioned sense of duty ********************************* fear of Saddam

Our boys... ************************************************* Their boys...
fly into the jaws of Hell *************************************** cower in concrete bunkers

Our ships are... ********************************************* Iraqi ships are...
an armada ************************************************* a navy

Israeli non-retaliation is... ************************************ Iraqi non-retaliation is...
an act of great statesmanship ******************************** blundering/cowardly

Our missiles are... ****************************************** Their missiles are...
Like Luke Skywalker zapping Darth Vader *********************** Ageing duds

Our missiles cause... **************************************** Their missiles cause...
collateral damage ****************************************** civilian casualties

We... ***************************************************** They...
precision bomb ********************************************* fire wildly at anything in the skies

Our planes... ********************************************** Their planes...
suffer a high rate of attrition ********************************* are shot out of the sky
fail to return from mission *********************************** are zapped

The 'truth' "from a certain point of view".

Saddam was a bad guy and I'm glad he's gone but I'm also sorry to the 1.3 million estimated people he murdered that he was propped up and supported by successive US governments until he outlived his usefulness in the region. Hopefully Iraq's next American appointed puppet will agree to play ball with Big Oil or they'll come gunning for his head too.

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"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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It makes me sick when foreigners compare us to these terrorists. This is such an unbelievably worthless argument! Have you no moral compass? Can you not tell just from unjust? Justice from murder? They intetnionally flew planes into our buildings with the sole intent of killing as many civilians as possible. CIVILIANS WERE THE INTENTIONAL TARGET. This is nothing short of cowardly murder based on a ridiculous religion that worships an arbitrary uncaring, unloving nothing called "The Divinity." They brainwash their kids from birth to believe that dying while killing as many Westerners (or Jews), reguardless of age,sex, or innocence, will get them into their perverted orgy-and-booze-filled version of heaven.

That is what Radical Islamic Terrorism is all about. Killing for the sake of killing and dying. And I think I speak for all American's when I say we are sick and tired of foreign liberals painting us as the bad guys--or "just as bad from their point of view." Any one with the basest of consciences should know that your assertion is ridiculous.

I for one am tired of the "poor terrorist, killed by the mean Americans" routine. The entire world lives in a post-9/11 universe and they need to wake up and act like it.

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Wow you just don't get it do you?

Of course terrorists are super dumb motherfucking cunts who deserve nothing more than to be ground into a fine paste and reconstitiuted so that they can be reground all over again for a million years.

And when I am comparing one side to the other all I am saying is that you're all the fucking same not you and the terrorists but you and your ideological others.

Which side's beliefs are based on a "ridiculous religion"? Rediculous to you, and to them your beliefs are rediculous and to me you're both twats for believing fairytales and using them as an excuse to justify the killing of the unbelievers.

To them YOU are the terrorists, do you fucking get it yet kid?

By the way I'm sick and tired of infantile right wingers asserting that us liberals like terrorism and hate freedom. Who the fuck do you think you are? No moral compass? Give me a break, if you can't understand a post then have the decency to admit it and maybe someone could spell it out for you.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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chaltab b4 i start i want to tel you that i like america that i love america's. i am canadian and americans are like my bothers. what i do not like is american foreign policies.


chaltab b4 you start saying, "can you not see the unjust from the just." take a world political geography course, as i have. American may not terrorism people by flying planes into builting but they do cause untold suffering around the world. America doesnt conquer countries they do worst. they Distroy economies. if you look at some of the things that american capitalisium have caused around the world your mouth would drop. before you start blowing ppl up americans should go and understand them. the reason islamic terrorists attack america and isreal and all of the west infact is because of the problems that the west has caused them. E.g puppet governments like in iraq and saudi Arabia. both of these governments inflict massive hard ships on there peoples. after WW2 the allied armies moved into the middle east nd cut it up into peices they then distributed these peice amoung each other. now the way they cut up the middle east was just but preference rather then by cultural areas. that is why you get greatly differing groups in different parts of a country. this lack of judgement caused alot of problems in the region. On top of that the west created isreal which was comprise of many holy islamic sites as well as christian sites.

now that we have our little history lession with is far complete we can understand why they hate the west, now since america is now the leader of the west that s why they are focused upon. islamic terrist hate the west and there way of life because it was this way of life these customs that messed up there land. it has been said many times by terrorist that if america were to withdraw from the middleeast and not help isreal in a war they would nto be targeted, but america choose to ingnore that request and since then have only become more entrenched in the middle east. that is why they are hated. so now after looking at some of the facts one can conclude, no the acts of terrorism are horrible and should not happen but there are also alot of things that american policy has done that has caused suffering in return. the cards in americas hand if they choose to with draw from the middle east and mind there own business then they wont get attacked it is that simple.

at this point should they withdraw, no, cus if they do they will be hated even more fore take a stable islamic nation and destablizing it. that is the number one reason why the US should not have attacked iraq. cause they can no longer withdraw they are in the middle east to stay now and the fanatics wont forget it.
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See, Shimmy gets it.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.