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The 720p worked great for me in XBMC. I just fired it up in MPC and it's working fine there too. Stuttering issues could be from too slow of a media source, flash drive or? Or a weak PC that isn't capable of keeping up.

Good luck figuring it out, it looks excellent.

I can't wait for a similar release of the first film.

Big thanks to everyone involved in making this project a reality.

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For those of you guys who have crappy processors and choppy playback - did you try to decode it via your graphic card?

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Okay here are some comparisons against Harmy's version:

http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/106388

There are plenty more differences than just that, here's some of what I noticed: All the optical wipes are different in the SE and also Harmys. All the re-compositing is different because Harmy's is primarily based on the SE; and this includes scenes where the ships etc are partially transparant (over plants, over other spaceships, over the clouds in cloud city and of course over the snow on Hoth), Harmy partially restored this on Hoth but not in other areas of the film. The matte-lines are visible and hard, and in some cases the original models had been replaced in later versions of the film. The placement of compositing can differ to later versions also. And finally, all scenes that have special effects or optical wipes have additional layers of film grain - as you would expect.

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I guess we should have put some kind of smiley face or sarcasm tag on it. Of course George Lucas approves. He's the one that released it in that manner.

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More important than that, the director of the film the late Irvin Kershner would approve.

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RU.08 said:

Okay here are some comparisons against Harmy's version:

http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/106388

There are plenty more differences than just that, here's some of what I noticed: All the optical wipes are different in the SE and also Harmys. All the re-compositing is different because Harmy's is primarily based on the SE; and this includes scenes where the ships etc are partially transparant (over plants, over other spaceships, over the clouds in cloud city and of course over the snow on Hoth), Harmy partially restored this on Hoth but not in other areas of the film. The matte-lines are visible and hard, and in some cases the original models had been replaced in later versions of the film. The placement of compositing can differ to later versions also. And finally, all scenes that have special effects or optical wipes have additional layers of film grain - as you would expect.

team_negative1 said:

I guess we should have put some kind of smiley face or sarcasm tag on it. Of course George Lucas approves. He's the one that released it in that manner.

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More important than that, the director of the film the late Irvin Kershner would approve.

 It's amazing how many tiny changes they made to the film. Things that they probably would have gotten away with, with little protest, if it weren't for Lucas's need for bigger, bolder, stupider alterations.

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Jonno said:

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Chewtobacca said:

Jonno said: Is there a quick route to BD-friendly video without re-encoding?

 No.

 

I own an oppo bdp-83 which I believe is compatible with several color spaces. Can I therefore still burn this with the usual bluray folders, or will this not work?

 I think the issue is that, while decent BD players support a range of colorspace outputs, the BD video spec is only ever 4:2:0. Still it may be worth passing the file through tsMuxer to see if you can get away with structuring it that way, and see what your player makes of it.
And as for watching something like this on a PC (as distinct from HTPC), I can't imagine that would be a very pleasurable experience - don't folks like to get immersed in movies any more?

It's a shame it wasn't released with bluray compliant burning in mind, though I suspect their reasons for doing so may have partially been to lesson the likelihood of any sellers palming discs off on Ebay for a profit. I went and ordered a blurry burner and discs a couple days back too - doh! That'll teach me for being so impulsive... I can play it on my Mac mini, but the cinema gear is downstairs and it would be a lot of hassle to unplumb the computer and move it downstairs for one film. Wondering what options exist to convert this somehow so it can be burnt to a 25GB bluray?

Still, overjoyed to have this edition, and the efforts by everyone concerned that made this release possible. This is THE version of Empire I'll keep returning to now, all LD transfers are now part of the past for me now. This version and Harmy's are all I need until the official OOT is released. Even then this 35mm Grindhouse version is way more representative of what I saw back in 1980 in our local fleapit of a cinema ;)

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Weird that the cropping hides the red sleeve on the snow creature that hits Luke's tauntaun. That's one of these things you want to see back in.

edit: these compatibility issues really bother me. I can't even reencode it to resync my subtitles on it.

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Handman said:

I took a look at it earlier today, and I experienced some odd video distortion at the end. Anyone else have this issue?

 Had the same problem. The engines of the Falcon where distorted and part of the fleet and the end credits.

Needed an i7 to play smooth. The data rate in the noisy parts on Hoth are very demanding. After that my dual core plays the vid mostly smooth too.

Made an AVI 13GB recode. I´m downloading the 720p now for correction of the last scene.

PS: for recode i used good old VirtualDUB.

(The other simpler solutions didn´t work. - Where not able to decode the Video right.)

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Once downloaded (our connection is pretty slow) I'm going to try putting the 1080p file through the following software, to see if I can get a 4:2:0 blu-ray compliant colorspace file for burning. Anyone used this piece of software, or something similar?

http://magicyuv.com

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Yep i have used magicyuv and it works great.

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Just FYI... used Handbrake to convert it and it worked like a charm.

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I've downloaded both the 1080p and 720p versions. The 1080p won't run on my laptop via VLC, I assume because the specs just aren't good enough (AMD A8 processor, 6 GB RAM, onboard Radeon graphics).

The 720p version does run fine and is gorgeous! Beautiful grain and detail.

I tried burning a Blu-ray from the 1080p version, but the size was about 250 MB too big after putting it through TSMuxer for the file structure. The 720p version has AAC for audio which requires conversion before burning it for Blu-ray, so I'm doing that right now via Handbrake (AC3). If it looks as good on my 55" LCD as on my laptop, I'll be very happy.

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Why not just mux the pcm from the 1080p with the 720 instead of making an ac3 from an aac?

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^^

I wanted to filter the video through Handbrake as well, since it didn't play via external HDD on my Sony player. Nothing but sound and video noise.

I suspect there are at least some scenes that are stretching the specs for my capabilities.

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You can still remux the pcm with your new file from handbrake though.

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^^

When I eventually burn the disc I will probably do that. For streaming via HDD to my Sony BR player, AC3 just seems to work better.

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waspattck said:

^^

When I eventually burn the disc I will probably do that. For streaming via HDD to my Sony BR player, AC3 just seems to work better.

 Ah i see now, in that case i would make an ac3 file from the pcm.

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I tried converting the 720p .mkv with multiAVCHD but the end result was a bit too big to fit on a DVD+R DL Verbatim.

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I think both versions are just slightly too big for physical disc, even with a small overwrite.

I'm going to compromise and put the 720p version on a BD-R.

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waspattck said:

I think both versions are just slightly too big for physical disc, even with a small overwrite.

I'm going to compromise and put the 720p version on a BD-R.

 Damn. I think I'll cancel my 1080p download then if it won't fit onto a bluray. 

Whilst I'm extremely grateful to all at Team -1 for the hard work that's gone into this release, I wish some thought had gone into making these a little easier to burn onto a bluray in regards to file size and color spaces.

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That's not true, the main file itself should fit on a BD-R (without the extras). The main issue is that it's not BD compatible and your player may or may not be able to play it.

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We are actually working on a bluray compliant version. We will see about fixing the final scene also.

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RU.08 said:

That's not true, the main file itself should fit on a BD-R (without the extras). The main issue is that it's not BD compatible and your player may or may not be able to play it.

I'm going by what waspattck said above in regards to the file size & burning to a Blu-ray disc.

That's indeed the main issue. I prefer to watch films using the bluray player and projector, when possible, rather than have to use the computer and take that downstairs. I'll try a variety of options once its downloaded to try & get a playable and compliant bluray starting with magicyuv.