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If it really is Justin Lin it isn't a bad choice. He's a very talented filmmaker. He hasn't done anything quite like Trek but I'm sure he's capable and I'm excited to see what he comes up with.
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Great so Star trek is going to get even dumber and the characters are going to be even more like overgrown frat boys then they already are and it is going to be even harder to tell what is happening on screen. No brains allowed in Star Trek any more, they may as well change the name of the series to Meatheads and Explosions. I am just going to pretend Trek died when the final episode of Deep space nine aired and nothing was produced after that, it's better for my blood pressure.
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Interesting if offbeat choice. Need I remind anyone he isn't writing the script?
Ignoring modern Trek is as easy as ignoring certain TOS season 3 episodes. ;)
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SilverWook said:
Interesting if offbeat choice. Need I remind anyone he isn't writing the script?
Ignoring modern Trek is as easy as ignoring certain TOS season 3 episodes. ;)
There were 2 seasons.
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Well, TAS could still bring it up to three.
Has anybody ever done an edit of that scene, where one of the bulbs burns out at a key moment? ;)
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SilverWook said:
Well, TAS could still bring it up to three.
Has anybody ever done an edit of that scene, where one of the bulbs burns out at a key moment? ;)
I have never seen it if it has been done but i would love to see it now. You know that would make a perfect little skit for Robot Chicken:)
"Damn it!, Now I have to change the bulb. Oh and wouldn't you know it?! Some forgot to buy light bulbs when they went shopping, Why do I even bother making a shopping list if none of you dumb asses are going to read it?!"
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I have to wonder if he is just a place holding director paramount is using to keep the franchise in the public eye and they will just use him to make a by the numbers action movie for 2016 and then they will offer JJ a lot of money to come back and make another Into Darkness if his Star Wars movie does well.
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Erm, Lin's not actually just an action director, you know? After Tokyo Drift, I honestly didn't think I'd ever feel the need to defend him, but he is exceptionally good at his job when on form. Modern Warfare, Interpretive Dance and Introduction To Statistics are three of the finest things I have ever seen. Sure, one of those is based on action conventions, but still. The other two most definately are not. I agree with Silverwook, bit off beat, but interesting, and I think he could do alright.
And since when was the director so important? I remember a time when all that mattered was that Kirk was in it with his crew. And then Picard with his crew. And they were doing cool things. IN SPACE! (Athough in reality, Picard and his crew never really showed up. Just some angry old man with some familiar looking guys that did stuff for him).
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SilverWook said:
Ignoring modern Trek is as easy as ignoring certain TOS season 3 episodes. ;)
I've had absolutely no problems doing so. =P
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Watched a little TNG on BBC America today. The syndication editing is getting worse. Part of Picard telling Wesley the story of how he ended up with a artificial heart was cut!
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Erm, Lin's not actually just an action director, you know? After Tokyo Drift, I honestly didn't think I'd ever feel the need to defend him, but he is exceptionally good at his job when on form. Modern Warfare, Interpretive Dance and Introduction To Statistics are three of the finest things I have ever seen. Sure, one of those is based on action conventions, but still. The other two most definately are not. I agree with Silverwook, bit off beat, but interesting, and I think he could do alright.
And since when was the director so important? I remember a time when all that mattered was that Kirk was in it with his crew. And then Picard with his crew. And they were doing cool things. IN SPACE! (Athough in reality, Picard and his crew never really showed up. Just some angry old man with some familiar looking guys that did stuff for him).
A director with a little familiarity with the source material, and a knowledge of how to shoot an FX heavy film always helps. In other words, you don't run out and hire someone who's only done sitcoms.
The director of Nemesis allegedly thought Geordi was an alien. ;)
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Yeah, still don't see it, though. I agree that on face value he's a jobbing director and really hasn't done anything effects heavy that would cry out Star Trek director, but that argument could be applied to Nicholas Meyer. Thing is, looking at his resume, and knowing that his best stuff is workshopped with the actors to find character in a scene, fills me with more hope than if, say, Michael Bay were announced as sitting in the chair. It might turn out that he really is just another director for hire, and does exactly what the studio heads want and then screws it up. Likewise, he might just pull a rabbit out of the hat and make the bestest thing ever. I just think he's being judged on aspects of his career which don't matter.
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Let's remember that he is replacing a man with absolutely ZERO directing experience.
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Do you remember the times when Star Trek made you feel and think? I miss those times. Now the only thing I can feel after watching modern Trek is confusion and the only thing I can think about is "WTF was that about?"
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It still can, I think DS9 is more relevant today than when it first aired. Pity it doesn't seem to be running anywhere on tv these days.
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Is Paramount still shooting for a smaller budget than into Darkness? Last i heard it was going to be shot in Canada and South Korea and be the first Trek not on film. Claudio Miranda is the cinematographer who was going to be working with Orci.
With Justin Lin replacing Orci and no script.
Its almost worse than the making of Spectre.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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A shame, I love film. I went to see a 70mm showing of Interstellar recently, and it's hard to go back to the sterile digital movies of today.
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I have been watching Star Trek since I was two but now I have lost interest in it and don't care about the next movie and this sums up why.
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Well, in all fairness, Gene's version did have four of the five items on J.J.'s side. ;)
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Pretend that JJ's doesn't have technology (whatever that means), morality, diplomacy, storytelling, friendship, vision, and social commentary (STID at least) all you want, but it does. Whether it does it successfully or not is another argument.
The other thing people forget is that they are MOVIES. With a TV show you have more time to explore those things. Compare it to the TOS and even TNG movies. They're closer to the JJ movies than I think a lot of people would like to admit.
Also, I think a lot of people (unfairly) compare the JJ movies to TNG and DS9. Different things completely. As someone who's only ever fucked with TOS, I have to say I really don't care about those shows. What I always loved in the original Star Trek was the adventure and the character dynamics. As far as I can tell JJ's got that, so I am satisfied.
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STID's problem is Khan was done before, and better. And how many abusing their authority admirals have we had across all incarnations of Trek?
The two times the TOS films tried to be about ideas more than action sequences, it didn't turn out very well, so it's a double edged sword. The studio doesn't want controversy either, so social commentary is going to be hard to pull off, unless it's well disguised, as TOS often did well.
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The other thing people forget is that they are MOVIES. With a TV show you have more time to explore those things.
Most Star Trek episodes are self-contained stories. They have about 45 minutes after commercials to tell a complete story and were easily capable of doing so. With a movie you have anywhere from 90 to 120 minutes to tell a story.
That excuse does not compute.
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What I always loved in the original Star Trek was the adventure and the character dynamics. As far as I can tell JJ's got that, so I am satisfied.
TOS had a charismatic captain that adamantly believed in what the Federation stood for and strived to follow its laws and edicts to the best of his ability. It had a half-Vulcan First Officer who quietly struggled with his humanity. Lastly, it had an honorable if ornery Chief Medical Officer who found joy in taking jabs at his green blooded friend.
JJ Trek has a reckless maverick with a complete disregard for the rules who skirts by on the seat of his pants. It has a pointy eared psychopath who regular pummels others when he loses control of his constant seething rage. Lastly it has an ornery Chief Medical Officer who doesn't get to do much.
JJ Trek just takes the pop culture stereotypes of the characters and turns up the dial.
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And what's wrong with that? JJ Trek is not TOS. That doesn't mean it isn't fun.
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Tobar said:
DominicCobb said:
The other thing people forget is that they are MOVIES. With a TV show you have more time to explore those things.
Most Star Trek episodes are self-contained stories. They have about 45 minutes after commercials to tell a complete story and were easily capable of doing so. With a movie you have anywhere from 90 to 120 minutes to tell a story.
That excuse does not compute.
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What I always loved in the original Star Trek was the adventure and the character dynamics. As far as I can tell JJ's got that, so I am satisfied.
TOS had a charismatic captain that adamantly believed in what the Federation stood for and strived to follow its laws and edicts to the best of his ability. It had a half-Vulcan First Officer who quietly struggled with his humanity. Lastly, it had an honorable if ornery Chief Medical Officer who found joy in taking jabs at his green blooded friend.
JJ Trek has a reckless maverick with a complete disregard for the rules who skirts by on the seat of his pants. It has a pointy eared psychopath who regular pummels others when he loses control of his constant seething rage. Lastly it has an ornery Chief Medical Officer who doesn't get to do much.
JJ Trek just takes the pop culture stereotypes of the characters and turns up the dial.
Also and here is a big point the biggest reason I liked Kirk when I was a kid was that he was a man of honor and didn't expect others to fall on the sword or lie for him, when he broke the rules he owned up to it. Remember that the premise of Star Trek is that these stories are taken from Kirk's official logs so every time we hear about him breaking the rules he told those above him in the chain of command what he did and why he did it but he didn't expect his crew to lie or get in trouble for him. Every time we saw Kirk called out for breaking the rules he was honest and told the truth, that is why he got away with it because his commanding officers knew they could trust him and that if he broke the rules there was a good reason for it. In Star trek 3 Kirk gives his crew every chance not to go along with him and in Star Trek 4 there is no question that when they return to earth they will plead guilty instead of trying to cover up or make excuses for their crimes and in Star Trek 6 Kirk takes responsiblity for the actions of crewmen who he had n way of stopping while he is on trial.
Compare this to the last Star Trek movie where not only does Kirk lie to Pike but he then treats Spock like dirt for not lying as well when he knows full well Vulcans don't lie, and then he tries to pressure Scotty to sign for something that puts the whole ship in danger. There is nothing of the old crew dynamic in JJ's Trek and the plot is stupid, if someone with half a brain or any kind of sense of honor were put in charge of the ship for thirty seconds every single one of the villain's plots would fail.
Oh and were we supposed to be surprised by the twist where the guy who plays the villain in every movie and Tv show turned out to be the villain?
The really sad part is this movies didn't have to be bad and they didn't have to give up having action scenes in order to be good. Look at GOTG, there are scenes in that movie that give us a sense of wonder while we are in space and give you an idea of what the politics of the galaxy are and they make the villain relatible without making him so nice that we are rooting for him and Starlord is given the exact same character arc they tried to pull with Kirk and James Gunn pulls it off with less then half of the run time of JJ's movies, so it can be done.
Another good example of how they could have made these good comes in the form of the book and film series Hornblower. The books about the adult Hornblower were one of the things that inspired the character of Captain Kirk so why not use the books about the teenage Hornblower as a blueprint for what to do with Kirk in the new movies? You want it action based, fine then make it action based but make it smart and write the character so I can root for him. Put the Federation at war with the Klingons and have it be a coming of age tale of a boy who is learning the ropes and making mistakes but his Captain sees something special in him and helps him learn at a realistic pace and watch this boy have to out think the Klingons and form bonds of friendship that will last the rest of his life. You don't even have to read the books to see how this works, just watch the TV movies, they all had a run time of just 100 minutes and they all were smarter, had more plot, and had a more compelling character moments and bonds then both of the last two Star Trek movies combined and none of the characters had to act like idiots to make the plots work.
What makes me mad is that these movies didn't have to lose the heart and soul of Star Trek or not be smart in order to give Paramount what they wanted in big screen Trek but JJ and his team were lazy and took the easy rout and just remade the Transformers movies with the names of Star Trek characters and places and that is just sad if you ask me.
This is why I wish NM was directing the next movie, because he like Roddenbury was inspired by the Hornblower stories and knows how to handle this type of action adventure story and could make it work while still letting it focus on action scenes.
I guess to me JJ Trek is like the zombie of someone I once loved, sure it may look like that person and even be walking around but the heart and soul are gone so it's just a rotting corpse. Everything I love about it died a long time ago.
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Thank you, TV's.TV's Frink said:
And what's wrong with that? JJ Trek is not TOS. That doesn't mean it isn't fun.
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