Well I bought a 4 way HDMI splitter from a firm in Cardiff and output 3&4 are unprotected. I actually spoke on the phone to check this. Then I bought an Avermedia Game Capture HDII. My requirement was for a stand alone device which did not need a computer. It takes an internal drive up to 2 Tb formatted as NTFS. It saves as mp4 with rates of 10,12 and 15 Mbit/s. It also allows you to up load TS to YouTube but I haven't used this feature. You can also put in an external harddrive. I am not interested in Game Capture so I then bought an Avermedia Ezrecorder which was much cheaper through Amazon at £79 - it is also standalone but does not have an internal drive but does allow for timed recordings which is what I missed - it also allows rates up to 20 Mbit/s. My Sharp AQUOS TV plays mp4 directly from the Harddrive.

What I have never been able to do is find a file format which is acceptable to my Panasonic FreeviewHD Bluray recorder. Anyone?????