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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released) — Page 60

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Here is a 4 minute comparison from the 1st reel.

There is the GOUT (upper left), Japanese Special Edition (Laserdisc) (upper right)

1997 SE Edition Laserdisc, Team Negative1 35mm

NOTE: Our video is cropped on the right.

It is unrestored, with no color correction.

Sound is temporary.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4GXPA0POx6UiY9Bxlf

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This is looking incredible

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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Any chance for a comparison shot of the Mos Eisley scene (from various prints) generously donated to Harmy for his Despecialized 2.1+? The low fade color was good, but it seems quite possible that some of your other prints are even better?

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I assume in the restoration process you'll be able to recover the starfields?

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Not really. The dark parts have been rescanned, but whatever we have on there, that is what will be preserved. We'll try to get some samples.

Team Negative1

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Just to have an actual print is amazing. great job, team negative1

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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I just realized theres quiet a bit of new visual information on the sides (means it was cropped). Thats nice.

Will you please keep the movie uncropped for the final release?!

I mean if someone really must crop it he can still use his video-equipment, but having so much new visual information is just awesome. It's like a whole new movie inside a movie ;)

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ilovewaterslides said:

The colors on the last shots of your LPP remind me of my '89 French Laserdisc:

http://i1.someimage.com/jKsSaZb.jpg

Maybe because the print is slightly faded.

I wouldn't be surprised if the LPP print came off of the same source element as the '89 French LD transfer. From what I understand, this LPP was a Spanish (Latin American dub) mono print. It has the 1977 flyover composite at the start instead of the 1981 recomposite, and the image density/contrast change after the flyover suggests it came from a different element than the rest of the print (though from what I also understand, there was no physical splice on the print itself, meaning the join would have been made at a previous generation?)

Judging by the various foreign video releases prior to the THX remasters, the foreign-language crawls were never redone with "Episode IV" (on film), so I am assuming that any 1980s prints with foreign crawls would still have had that language's 1977 crawl element spliced on, complete with the old flyover. The LPP print had a faded, Dolby Stereo English crawl spliced on at the head, and my personal theory is that the LPP originally had the "La Guerra De Las Galaxias" title and Spanish crawl.

As for the rest of the print, while it's LPP and not faded itself, it seems to come from a source element that had mild color fading issues reminiscent of the '89 French LD, and the composites that were redone during the original run (the temple establishing shot, the X-Wing takeoff) match up with the '89 LD as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the LPP was indeed sourced from the same, slightly fading element (with Spanish crawl+'77 flyover spliced on at the internegative stage?).

And actually, I also wonder if the same element, with some additional video color balance correction, wasn't also the source for the Technidisc LD, and then the Definitive Collection/GOUT masters...

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Also, looking at that 3-way comparison, you say the LPP is in the middle? The middle looks like a different print, it has the 1981 flyover (notice the middle and bottom clips reveal Tatooine out of sync with the music). And just looking at the lasers and explosions, and the milder camera shake when R2 and 3PO are introduced (just the on-set shaking without the optical enhancement), I can tell that the bottom clip is the Special Edition.

I also was not aware that the 1981 composite was framed at a narrower aperture than the 1977. It seems that by the early 80s, ILM was printing all/most of its composite shots to Panavision at that narrower aperture, with the right edge of the frame unexposed. If you watch a print of Return of the Jedi uncropped, almost every effects shot has that black space on the right side.

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I think you will remember that we pointed out that during the intro, there are actually a few different variations within the scene. It looked there were 2 different LPP's spliced together, along with the Kodak crawl.

Team Negative1

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Oh, so the Spanish LPP print (the top one) *did* have a physical splice after the Star Destroyer flyover?

I definitely see a tape splice mark on the middle print. Is there an actual splice there on that print, too? (If the splice were printed in from the internegative, it would be white, not black.) I would have assumed that an 80s LPP print with the 1981 intro would have had it to begin with, not have it physically edited on at the print stage...

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TServo2049 said:

Also, looking at that 3-way comparison, you say the LPP is in the middle?

 Star Wars porn.

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TV's Frink said:

TServo2049 said:

Also, looking at that 3-way comparison, you say the LPP is in the middle?

 Star Wars porn.


I believe Hedley Lamarr from "Blazing Saddles" said it best...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ce-zC_n8E