litemakr said:
What are people's thoughts about the super 8? It doesn't match wowow or blu-ray really, but it is closer to wowow. It has more red and brown than wowow (some due to slight red shift), but not the orange/gold haze of the blu.
Thanks for posting it litemakr. I hope you don't mind that I'm going to post a few pics from it for this thread:
My comments are based on the video you posted, you are actually seeing the print which is a different experience. So if I'm off let me know. Overall its is similar to the 16mm pics I posted. I can see why you originally said the 8mm looked half way between the WOWOW and the BD. It looks to me like the print starts closest to the WOWOW but with a little of the 16mm yellow in it but over all very pale with cold-ish color timing. But the pics toward the end come off as similar in orange to the BD, unless that's the red/brown you a referencing and it show up more as orange here. Brown, red and orange can mush together sometimes. I can't 100% determine from you video but are the skies blue-ish or yellow-ish in the desert scenes? I notice that the credits are more yellow-ish then white.
It is fair to point out that on a color wheel there are many, many different yellows (as we all know):
And if I had to determine what went where the 16mm tends to the green side of the yellow spectrum whereas the 35mm and the BD are clearly toward the red (obviously passing into orange).
captainsolo said:
It's posts like this that remind me why I love this place so much. Thoughtful, insightful, honest and respectful to the film itself.
Plus people here don't think I'm crazy. That helps.
That "restored" 35mm toured the country and was indeed what I saw theatrically. It was from a 6K scan I think from what I've heard and was the last thing Ron Smith oversaw before leaving Paramount. Other than a fresh scan I don't think they did very much...but then of course you have the color which was the basic source of the BD look. Seeing this print was an odd experience as the color was the look of the BD but with far greater detail in addition to being extremely bright. You could faintly see some of the coverups done to hide the negative damage from the Tanis dig sequence at times. The sound seemed to be a very low volume version of the DVD 5.1. Then this was shown digitally in IMAX with apparently the new Blu-ray mix.
Trailers have a certain look, original prints look a certain way, and all of those have their own identities. All I can say is that my favorite audio is on the WS LD.
Now I really want to see a print for all 3. I've seen grabs of frames from LC, and that had a depth not found on disc. I can't even begin to think of how awesome Temple would be.
Thanks captain. I tried to lay out my thoughts as clearly and precisely as possible, notwithstanding my horrific typing skills. I don't believe these things about Raiders without a clear chain of evidence backing it up. This isn't in a vacuum.
I do maintain an open mind. Could I be wrong? Sure. Could I be right? Sure. But in a big picture sense, everyone could be wrong. I brought it up earlier that everyone thought they knew what The Matrix looked in theaters. And everyone was 100% wrong. Everyone. And that's a film from 1999 not 1981. Hell, I have the AFI Silver not too far away from my house. I have seen Raiders and the other two many, many times on original 35mm in the 2000s and I based none of my arguments on those viewings. People's memories are too weak for that, the Matrix taught me that.
When I saw Road Warrior a few years ago, I printed out pics from the BD and DVD to see what was the true color timing of that movie. I had clear goals as to what I was looking for. So from the guy in a theater holding up printouts to the screen to figure out the right colors, you're not crazy, you're home here at the OT.
Digressing again. If anyone is near Maryland, USA and a film lover you should really go to the AFI Silver. Its a movie lovers dream. They have an 80's month every August where you can watch 80s era films as original 80s era prints.
Captainsolo is right. Trailers are iffy to go off of. They can have no, some or full color timing. Depending where on the chain they were put together. I re-graded Aliens to its 35mm trailer but is that right? Who knows.
In the end I'm not trying to convince people to watch the BD over the WOWOW, I know better then that with this crowd (which includes me). And for point of order I watch both. Frankly, I would love a combo, the detail of the WOWOW with the color timing of the BD and the LD's Dolby Surround. But again at the end of the day we need a non-faded 80s era print. So someone else get on that and help me out, I'm trying to find one myself. And if I'm wrong I won't give a crap since I will have a 35mm print of Raiders proving me wrong.
rockin said:
Has anyone captured the Raiders LD audio?
Yep and synced to the BD.
And to put a cap on this post, someone posted on the digitalbits posted a pic from a foreign 70mm print of Last Crusade. Not saying this is right but if you hate the orange of the Raiders BD, this is going to kill you:
