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Post #740218

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captainsolo
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'Raiders of the Lost Ark' - bluray and colour timing changes (Released)
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Date created
9-Dec-2014, 10:48 PM

PDB said:


One could argue that the yellow tinting on the BD was done poorly. That it was done is such a way that it punched the reds too orange. After all red and yellow equal orange. We have seen that kind of bad color timing recently on The Good, The Bad and the Ugly 4K BD. Were the excessive levels of yellow created a green tint on everything. That color timing was proven false when the IB tech print was seen. The yellow was right but the green was wrong. The debate on how much orange is one worth having but its worth noting that the 35mm does have an orange tint in a lot of places.

And speaking of TGTBATU, I know were this mistrust comes from as we have seen many, many screw ups before. And many people around here have fixed those mistakes. As h_h pointed out Star Wars, scanned from the negative, doesn't look like a release print. Road Warrior/Mad Max 2 scanned from the negative, doesn't look like a release print. Conan The Barbarian scanned from the negative, doesn't look like a release print. The Matrix is an entire entry on its own. But why redo Raiders and not the others? Why spend the time on Raiders at all? Why do it in a specific way that tends towards the pics of the 16 and 35 and the style at the time? Is that coincidence?

At the end of the day I love the WOWOW. I have a copy of it myself and I have watched many times. As a scan its superior to the BD in detail. As for the color I think it most likely looks like the Neg or an IP just like the LD, DVD and European master. I think the BD was an honest attempt to recreate the look of a release print, faults and all. The only way this will be decided is with scanned a 35mm print. I have been searching awhile and never found a good one or one at a reasonable price. If someone here can get a print, get it scanned and give me a copy that proves what I just said was wrong. I will happily thank that person for proving me wrong. Gladly. Until then I believe that Raiders is suppose to have more yellow then the WOWOW based on the evidence at hand.

 It's posts like this that remind me why I love this place so much. Thoughtful, insightful, honest and respectful to the film itself.

Plus people here don't think I'm crazy. That helps.

That "restored" 35mm toured the country and was indeed what I saw theatrically. It was from a 6K scan I think from what I've heard and was the last thing Ron Smith oversaw before leaving Paramount. Other than a fresh scan I don't think they did very much...but then of course you have the color which was the basic source of the BD look. Seeing this print was an odd experience as the color was the look of the BD but with far greater detail in addition to being extremely bright. You could faintly see some of the coverups done to hide the negative damage from the Tanis dig sequence at times. The sound seemed to be a very low volume version of the DVD 5.1. Then this was shown digitally in IMAX with apparently the new Blu-ray mix.

Trailers have a certain look, original prints look a certain way, and all of those have their own identities. All I can say is that my favorite audio is on the WS LD.

Now I really want to see a print for all 3. I've seen grabs of frames from LC, and that had a depth not found on disc. I can't even begin to think of how awesome Temple would be.