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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 75

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Erik Pancakes said:

 Novelizations are in a sort of grey area right now. I haven't seen any official comment on their canon/non-canon status since the "Legends" business. Same with the radio dramas.

 

Del Rey said:

The novelizations of the seven films--including The Clone Wars--are canon.

Del Rey said:

To clarify, movie novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie.

As for myself, I too have my own personal canon. But I don't discount the importance of there being an official canon. They need a clear timeline going forward so that they can remain internally consistent and not start having to retcon themselves every other week as the case was in the old EU.

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I quite like the idea of an internally consistent, interconnected universe. I don't have to like it all, or read it all, but it's there if I want it. It's a pity that it's already tainted with contradictions between the OT and the PT.

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Thanks. :) I had found the series on Youtube before, but it was removed before I got a chance to watch it.

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Del Rey said:

The novelizations of the seven films--including The Clone Wars--are canon.

Del Rey said:

To clarify, movie novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie.

If the novels are only canon where they align with the film, doesn't that ultimately make the novels "non" canon, and the films the final word on what is canon?

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In other words, in spite of the brand spankin' new coat of paint, the Expanded Universe's still operated by people infactuated with obfuscating newspeak.

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Random image roundup:

Somebody freeze-framed the teaser...

also IKEA LOL...

plus this is very nice...

on that note, sooo awesome...

and if the eventual official poster is better than this I'll be amazed...

finally merry Xmas y'all..

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I can get great UHF reception with that.

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Roger Christian said:

Looking at the lightsaber in the trailer it has to be a found, older one as the blade is rougher, it's flame-like, so not as smooth as the newer blades. The snowy environment would hint that someone has found an ancient saber so I surmised this is an older laser sword. For sure there is a lot of debate going to be blogged now about the little blade protection side flames. They look cool, but aren't practical, and that was the original Star Wars mantra, everything had to look used and real. George wanted it that nothing ever stood out as designed, just a used universe that was real. So there has to be a reason coming for this laser sword. J J Abrams would have considered every visual in this first teaser.

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The creator of the original lightsaber has spoken.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

and if the eventual official poster is better than this I'll be amazed...

If the abominationsaber makes an appearance on any official poster art, I will mix up a batch of cement, throughly immerse my hair in it, run a length of chain through my hair, let the cement solidify, secure the other end of the chain to the back of the family pickup truck, and finally have someone take off at top speed up the driveway while I stand behind the truck, tearing all my hair and most of my scalp clean off in the process.

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^ Okay, we are all witnesses to your pledge ;-)

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The lyrics to the MST3K theme song come to mind...

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Even before the Disney merger there were diferent LEVELS of canon.  If something happens in one canon that contradicts another, the higher canon supersedes the lower level canon.  It has always been that something in the expanded universe (say a comic) can be considered canon unless/until something in the movies contradicted it, in which case the films (being a higher level of canon) supersedes the EU content. They rank as follows.

G Canon - This would include the films I-III, IV-VI, and VII-IX.

T Canon - Television shows such as The Clone Wars and Rebels

C Canon - EU elements such as comic books and video games that have not been contradicted by a higher canon.

S Canon - Also EU, but has been contradicted by a higher canon.  Some elements of these stories which have not been contradicted may still be considered a part of the SW universe.

N Canon - Any material that is directly contradicted by higher canons.  This would include things like "what if" stories.

I believe this ranking of canon was scrapped with the Lucasfilm/Disney deal, however I see no reason why it should not still be a viable way to determine canon and I will continue to use it.  It's nice in that you can still use the EU where it isn't contradicting the movies, and where it does, you can simply say that story exists in a parallel universe. =P

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Darth Lucas said:

Even before the Disney merger there were diferent LEVELS of canon.  If something happens in one canon that contradicts another, the higher canon supersedes the lower level canon.  It has always been that something in the expanded universe (say a comic) can be considered canon unless/until something in the movies contradicted it, in which case the films (being a higher level of canon) supersedes the EU content. They rank as follows.

G Canon - This would include the films I-III, IV-VI, and VII-IX.

T Canon - Television shows such as The Clone Wars and Rebels

C Canon - EU elements such as comic books and video games that have not been contradicted by a higher canon.

S Canon - Also EU, but has been contradicted by a higher canon.  Some elements of these stories which have not been contradicted may still be considered a part of the SW universe.

N Canon - Any material that is directly contradicted by higher canons.  This would include things like "what if" stories.

I believe this ranking of canon was scrapped with the Lucasfilm/Disney deal, however I see no reason why it should not still be a viable way to determine canon and I will continue to use it.  It's nice in that you can still use the EU where it isn't contradicting the movies, and where it does, you can simply say that story exists in a parallel universe. =P

But what about contradictions between the two trilogies? I think there should be a GO and GP cannon, with GO (original trilogy) superceding the GP.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

If the abominationsaber makes an appearance on any official poster art, I will mix up a batch of cement, throughly immerse my hair in it, run a length of chain through my hair, let the cement solidify, secure the other end of the chain to the back of the family pickup truck, and finally have someone take off at top speed up the driveway while I stand behind the truck, tearing all my hair and most of my scalp clean off in the process.

LOL

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RicOlie_2 said:

And then of course, GOO superceding GO.

 Although, of course, George no longer recognizes that as his, so it would just have to be OO.

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AntcuFaalb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

If the abominationsaber makes an appearance on any official poster art, I will mix up a batch of cement, throughly immerse my hair in it, run a length of chain through my hair, let the cement solidify, secure the other end of the chain to the back of the family pickup truck, and finally have someone take off at top speed up the driveway while I stand behind the truck, tearing all my hair and most of my scalp clean off in the process.

LOL

 

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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^ Was Luke S holding up an inverted crucifix all along?

...down Satan down boy :-D

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DuracellEnergizer said:

LENS FLARE DOESN'T COUNT AS AN ABOMINATIONSABER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In JJwars it does.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3