NeverarGreat said:
darklordoftech said:
NeverarGreat said:
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Did you get a similar impression of The Emperor?
Now there's an interesting idea - use the moral ambiguity of the Jedi Masters as one of the Emperor's justifications for starting a war for the 'greater good' of the galaxy. Back when I first went to see ROTS Palpy seemed to be doing just this, sowing the seeds of distrust in Anakin's mind about the questionable motives of the Jedi council. But it didn't really go anywhere.
I was actually referring to whether The Emperor is a "master" or a "knight" in the OT, but that is an awesome idea. The novelization implies that part of why Anakin turned is because he thought that the Jedi were just like the Sith except more passive.