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"Question though… I couldn't find (or perhaps missed) which LDs (DC, faces, NTSC or PAL) you are using to accomplish this transfer."

Most of the Feedback threads should say so. I'm using the Faces set, as my Def. Col. set is flawed.

"I’d love to know what you are doing for IVTC and if my frame counts could be put to use to allow your work to be perfectly deinterlaced I’d LOVE to participate!"

I did it manually in VirtualDub. Out of three separate captures, there were only two places I had to find a new cadence within the capture. Once, where I had a dropped frame (and I made a new capture from that point on), and between lowering an R2 droid into an x-wing, and Luke saying goodbye to Leia. Everything else IVTCed perfectly. No math was necessary.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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well I must say that I think the ease of IVTC does depend to some extent on the quality of the laserdisc players output and the type of capture card you are using.

my set was IVTC'd using donald grafts Decomb filter entirely in script. virtualdubs IVTC routine just didn't work for me, yet Zion has used virtualdub to IVTC his version. then again, @ zottig, you've done it manually.

considering we are all capturing a 23.97 fps source with 3:2 pulldown to interlace to a 29.97 fps image, it is strange that we don't seem to be able to come up with a definitive way to IVTC the capture.

When a woman says yes, she means no - when she says maybe, she means no.

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Originally posted by: Zottig
Question though… I couldn't find (or perhaps missed) which LDs (DC, faces, NTSC or PAL) you are using to accomplish this transfer.


Zion is using the "Faces" edition of the Star Wars LDs as it has a superior image quality over the Definitive Editions.... this is already becoming a long thread but check back on page 1 for more info on Zion's transfer and check out his website for more info, screenshots and a sample of his Empire menus. You will be glad you did

Oh yeah... missed this part of your question, Zion is making an NTSC transfer. If you are interested in PAL, check back in the "Original Trilogy Preservation" forum, there are discussions on PAL transfers there as well.
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"virtualdubs IVTC routine just didn't work for me, yet Zion has used virtualdub to IVTC his version. then again, @ zottig, you've done it manually."

Did you use the manual setting for VirtualDub, or the "Adaptive" setting? The adaptive setting can ocasionally lose its pacing, even if there isn't a cadence change. The manual setting is much better, but if there's a cadence change, you have to find that spot and restart at that point. It sounds tedious, but I found the cadence change in about 5 minutes (I viewed the AVI in Vegas until I saw bad combing effects.) After that, you try different offsets and watch the first few seconds of your output to see if you got it right.

"it is strange that we don't seem to be able to come up with a definitive way to IVTC the capture."

Good IVTC is highly dependant on the telecine process that was used in the first place. It's also dependant on the quality of your capture.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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How much?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Well the Broncos got upstaged on national TV tonight, so I'm not in a very good mood.

I'll spend the rest of the night playing around with the color correction of the first 10 minutes of ANH. My captured footage from last night...

manually IVTC'd via VirtualDubMod
de-ghosted with Laserschwert's last remedy
resized and run through MSU Denoiser and Smart Sharpen

...looks very good and has a lot more detail than I've seen in any of my captures so far. I can't wait to see what my new LD player can do along with the Sima unit Ash is sending me.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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I'm not sure if you've been asked this, but what source will you be using for the audio? Will it be the '85-'92 sound mix (w/ the C3P0 tractor beam line) or the '93-'95 (Def. Col and THX) mix? Personally, I prefer the '85 mix, but that's just one guy's opinion...
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do you plan to add subtitles or do you have closed cash in subtitles?
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Right now, I'm entertaining the idea of putting both audio tracks on the dvd's. I'm not sure if there is enough of a difference between the two to do this though. I may have to do a side by side comparrison to see if I should add the '85 mix. If there is enough of a difference, and I like both mixes, my audio options may look like this:

1: Faces/Definitive audio (Dolby Surround 2.0)
2: Ben Burt '85 mix (Dolby Surround 2.0)
3: Audio 1 or 2 (PCM 2.0)
4: Isolated Score (music only) (DTS 2.0)
5: Commentary (Dolby Surround 2.0)

Keep in mind this is just an initial thought. I may decide that one version of the audio is enough and go with just the '85 mix or just the THX audio. Also disc space will play a role in what audio makes the cut as well.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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One thing I considered doing with my project was to focus only on preserving the theatrical footage that cannot be found on the new DVDs.

I mean since 95% or more of the film's footage is unchanged in terms of content, it made quite a bit of sense to go with the highest quality source for the majority of the movie. My only concern was that the transition from DVD footage to LD footage and back would be too jarring.

Has anyone experimented with this? Couldn't the idea still have some merit?
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I sorta figured it'd be too jarring, but I just wondered if anyone had given it a try or messed with it. I sorta wondered if it'd be easier to slightly dumb down the DVD footage to achieve a better match. That'd eliminate a lot of issues with ghosting and stair step correction needed for the vast majority of the films. But by the looks of your results it's obvious that you know what you are doing.

By the way Zion, The Empire menus are impressive but the general jerks around somewhat. I know it's an early draft but I just wanted to point that out in case you hadn’t noticed it. Also I think the hollow font is a little crunchy. In the animated opening, the S and Rs have issues and I wanted to point you to this resource in case you hadn't seen it before. I assume you used After Effects to do that and I'm not sure if you manually drew the lettering or used a pre-existing font. The hollow font at this site looks dead on.

http://www.theforce.net/theater/postproduction/Crawl/opening.shtml

:Edit: Actually the hollow font link is broken and I did find a better one but it's a $15 font. It's available here

I figured the font info at the first site would also be useful for subtitling to keep the fonts as close to the LDs as possible. Oh on the note of subtitling, some people are die-hard purists... Where do you stand on the spelling errors in the Jabba subtitles from Jedi? Do you consider fixing the spelling of Wookiee a problem? I personally don't think so, but some people are funny that way.

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The 1993 Jabba subs are bad (off time too)... I would redo them.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Yes, I know the general jerks around too much. I'm not finished with him yet. Don't worry, it will be smooth by the time I finish the menu.

As I stated a couple pages back, I know the opening title looks like crap. I plan on changing the logo here soon and using a different font. That astro font looks great. I'll have to see if I can acquire that somehow.

I agree will Moll. fixing the subtitles is the way to go. I have also seen that page at TFN. I want my alien subs to look like the originals.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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You shouldn't use any of the available Star Wars fonts for the main logo, they all have issues... go with one of these EPS-files as a basis:

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/_data/objects/54466/logo_thumbnail.gif DOWNLOAD

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/_data/objects/27830/logo_thumbnail.gif DOWNLOAD

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I was going to recommend that one except for the odd chink in both Rs.
That and the two Ss aren't quite the same. The S in Star is better than the one in Wars.

I'm just too picky I guess.

Zottig
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"zion" Does your capture card record in DD 2.0 and does it record Close Caption Subtitles?
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I did some research on capturing subtitles, and while it is possible, it's a very tricky process. When I get home, I'll try to find the links for you.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Spider, in order to capture the audio, I'm recording the digital out straight into my sound card into PCM format. From there, I can create both a PCM track and a DD 2.0 track for my DVD's. I'm not going to bother trying to capture the CC subtitles. Zottig has agreed to help me create an English subtitle track for my DVD's. The best way to do this may be to just get an existing subtitle file and convert it to .sst so I can author it with Scenarist.

Let me know what you find out MeBeJedi. Subtitles are one thing I haven't researched much so far.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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I have pulled the subtitles from the official DVDs. I'm in the process of editing them to return them to the Theatrical cuts. The biggest pain is going to be the timing. Zion, I'll need a point of reference to begin. I need an exact time code to sync with. Can you tell me what the exact time code of the first frame where the "Star Wars" first appears on the screen?

Thanks


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Zion, you wanna check your PMs?