Easterhay said:

"The reason we went with it is because it ended up being great"

No, the reason you went with it is because you were young and had yet to develop cynicism.

I agree with that too, as I think it's is a combination of both. But there is no arguing that Empire Strikes Back is a GREAT movie, and if it wasn't, then there wouldn't be many OOT fans here.

Easterhay said:
I remain completely blase about the new trilogy. The new cartoon series has already confirmed my strongest suspicions, that Star Wars without Lucas is not Star Wars and it shows. In spades.The title of the new film was announced last week. I felt absolutely nothing when I read it. It means nothing. It's safe and dull and that's what the film will be - no surprises to upset the apple cart because the makers of this movie want so desperately to please the fans of my generation. It's the worst example of the tail wagging the dog.When I mentioned the new title to my son and wife, I could practically see the tumbleweed rolling across the living room floor.

This movie maybe a big turkey, but geez if you are going by the title to determine if it stinks or not then why even bother? I mean look at the OOT titles: The Empire Strikes Back? Wow, that's original! The Return of the Jedi? They don't seem any different then 'A Force Awakens'