logo Sign In

Which version is better for the OT? Laserdisc or the limited edition 2006 2 disc dvd (GOUT)? — Page 2

Author
Time

Thanks for the screenshots, althor1138. Does this appear elsewhere in the film; e.g., other shots that would necessitate the use of an optical printer?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

Author
Time

I'm not sure. I just know that for me it was very prominent on the tantive.

Luke threw twice…maybe.

Author
Time

CatBus said:

deepanddark20 said:

I thought the idea behind their project was that the GOUT, even for all its flaws, is the best version of the unaltered trilogy that has thus far been officially released, but some comments made in this discussion are making me think otherwise

AntcuFaalb already answered this pretty completely, but I wanted to add that most of the issues with the GOUT are fixable, and indeed are fixed in our preservations.  The colors can be corrected so that they're even better than the JSC.  You can replace the lossy '93 stereo GOUT audio with the lossless theatrical audio of your choice.  The only thing you can't fix is the DVNR--and even though the DVNR is occasionally awful, for most people that's not enough to counteract the resolution advantage of the GOUT, or other advantages like the theatrical crawl, etc.  Most people, including myself, do consider the GOUT to be the best official release, but the point is arguable, depending on your priorities.  And frankly, the fact that it's arguable at all shows that there are very serious problems with the GOUT, because a half-decent DVD release would have been hands-down better across the board.

 Some of the DNR trails can be eliminated, as Harmy shows in his DED, where you use the background as a custom matte and just have the object move over top that. I'm surprised no one has done this with just the GOUT already. Granted, that only fixes a few shots, but it would look over all better.

Author
Time

Wazzles said:

Some of the DNR trails can be eliminated, as Harmy shows in his DED, where you use the background as a custom matte and just have the object move over top that. I'm surprised no one has done this with just the GOUT already. Granted, that only fixes a few shots, but it would look over all better.

One might as well go full-Harmy at that point.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

Author
Time

I need a few drinks in me before I'm willing to do the Full Harmy.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

Author
Time

CatBus said:

I need a few drinks in me before I'm willing to do the Full Harmy.

lol!

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

Author
Time

TV's Frink said:

Nah, but only because I don't have time to maintain it anymore.   It's certainly worthy!

Wow, you must not be feeling well.  I don't think I've ever heard you say you don't have time to post here.

LOL

Author
Time

Posting is easy.  Maintaining a carefully crafted best of list with links, dates, and relevant titles, is not.

Author
Time

TV's Frink said:

Posting is easy.  Maintaining a carefully crafted best of list with links, dates, and relevant titles, is not.

You created a thread encouraging people to start bumping old threads, I don't think maintenance is the problem, LOL.  

Author
Time

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean, but I don't care either.  Let's get back to what is important, which is mocking the infinite budget.

Author
Time

I'm a rich fu-k, don't hate me because I feed sirloins to my dog and wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills. Don't worry Fink, I'll save you a couple...and make sure to leave some Milk Duds on there so you don't get hungry

Author
Time

fullmetal777 said:

I'm a rich fu-k, don't hate me because I feed sirloins to my dog and wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills. Don't worry Fink, I'll save you a couple...and make sure to leave some Milk Duds on there so you don't get hungry

 Oh good, then you can afford a period.

Author
Time

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

Posting is easy.  Maintaining a carefully crafted best of list with links, dates, and relevant titles, is not.

You created a thread encouraging people to start bumping old threads, I don't think maintenance is the problem, LOL.  

My point was .... your wit obviously enjoys the attention so as for the maintenance comment, I ain't buying it, LOL.

:)

Author
Time
 (Edited)

fullmetal777 said:

I'm a rich fu-k, don't hate me because I feed sirloins to my dog and wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills. Don't worry Fink, I'll save you a couple...and make sure to leave some Milk Duds on there so you don't get hungry

If your posting style is any indication, I can't wait to see your avatar!

"Close the blast doors!"
Puggo’s website | Rescuing Star Wars

Author
Time

Feallan said:

fullmetal777 said:

My budget is infinite. Which Ld player is the best?

If your budget is infinite, buy a 16/35mm projector with a couple of films and spend the rest on Star Wars memorabilia.

Fixed.

But yeah, if you've got a crapton of money and you want quality you should go hunting for film, not for ancient LDs :P

Author
Time

althor1138 said:

Can anybody explain the crazy amount of grain present in the tantive hallway shootout scenes on the gout?  It's not present on any other release afaik.

Those scenes are grainy on original prints as well but it doesn't look like it does on the GOUT. I guess the reason it stands out and looks so coarse on the GOUT is probably because of the contrasty and sharpened picture quality. And the reason you don't see it on the '93/'95 LD's is the overall soft image. Less detail and analog video noise obscures it. That's my take on it.

I agree it's a bit odd due to the severe detail loss of the crude DVNR, but it seems like the grain and noise survived somehow in some of those scenes.

What's funny is that those scenes were partly recomposited in 1997 and still noise reduced to hell in 2004. But we're talking about the same company who let the 1997SE Home Video release go through an equally as bad DVNR process as the THX release had gone through four years prior despite its "completely restored" moniker.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Author
Time
 (Edited)

If you're talking official releases of epIV, I'd say the Technidisc Laserdisc is the best. It has it's problems too, but DVNR isn't one. It and the japanese special collection set are the only releases not damaged by DVNR.

msycamore did a very nice transfer of the epIV Technidisc.

Author
Time

There is a fun novelty in owning a LD player and LDs, but I personally don't think I would have spent money on a LD player if I'd known the GOUT DVDs were coming out. The image quality is far better on the DVDs, and you can find the JSC and other releases on fan edits if you're interested in seeing the differences between the different sources. The only real advantage the DC and Faces discs have are the PCM soundtracks, which blow the GOUT discs away, but the PCM tracks are available on fan edits as well.

althor1138 said:


It is not present in the DC. I can't say for sure about the faces. I only own esb(faces).


Isn't it the general consensus that the DC and Faces discs are the same, except that one is CAV and one is CLV? They are from the same masters, I believe (as is the GOUT).

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Mielr said:

althor1138 said:


It is not present in the DC. I can't say for sure about the faces. I only own esb(faces).

Isn't it the general consensus that the DC and Faces discs are the same, except that one is CAV and one is CLV? They are from the same masters, I believe (as is the GOUT).

Not that this answer of mine has any bearing on althor1138's original question. But it depends on what pressing of the DC you own. At least one shot utilizes another source on early pressings of the DC (lightsaber shot in Ben's Hut). While the replacement seen on the Faces LD and the Bonus Feature DVD fixed a quite severe case of DVNR, it introduced another flaw here which is incorrect aspect ratio. But on the other hand those early DC pressings lacked the "Leia welding scene" in ESB among other things, so it's more of an early production flaw than a "true difference."

Ridiculously enough, the tranfers on the LD's overall displays slightly more vertical detail compared to the Bonus Feature DVD's and if we're going to be even more picky, different amounts of complete frames. And the LD's of course contains the 1981 re-release crawl on the first film. The latter might be enough to some collectors.

When it comes to SW don't underestimate to what lenght some people are willing to go to get these minor differences in sound and picture. Personally I have to say that I have more understanding of people buying these old LD releases, despite the easy availability of that Bonus Feature and Fan Edits, than I can ever get for those who buy the 2011 BD release.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

Author
Time

The CGI creatures bug me so much I can't stand it. I cannot watch those versions.

I mostly like Harmy's, Puggo Grande, and msychamore's Technidisc (upgrade still possible? :) ). To get the most out of any LD source view at native resolution, or close to it.

I like DarkJedi's V3 too but prefer the non DVNR look. Still, it might be the go to if you want a very consistent look throughout the film.

Author
Time

msycamore said:



Not that this answer of mine has any bearing on althor1138's original question. But it depends on what pressing of the DC you own. At least one shot utilizes another source on early pressings of the DC (lightsaber shot in Ben's Hut). While the replacement seen on the Faces LD and the Bonus Feature DVD fixed a quite severe case of DVNR, it introduced another flaw here which is incorrect aspect ratio. But on the other hand those early DC pressings lacked the "Leia welding scene" in ESB among other things, so it's more of an early production flaw than a "true difference."

Ridiculously enough, the tranfers on the LD's overall displays slightly more vertical detail compared to the Bonus Feature DVD's and if we're going to be even more picky, different amounts of complete frames. And the LD's of course contains the 1981 re-release crawl on the first film. The latter might be enough to some collectors.


I knew about the welding scene and I was very careful to get a later pressing because of that (but instead got a copy of ROTJ with laser rot one one disc), but I've never heard about the lightsaber/Ben's Hut scene being different on later pressings.

I don't see the extra vertical detail on the LDs (even on the X0 screenshots from way back when--IIRC they were pretty fuzzy compared with the Gout). I think the LDs lost a lot of picture detail when they went through the extra analog pressing step, that the DVDs were able to skip. To each his own, though. I'm not a proponent of the blu-rays, either. ;-)

Author
Time

dave88 said:

...and msychamore's Technidisc (upgrade still possible? :) ).

Thanks for the interest. I can try to send you a copy if you shoot me a PM. (Still issues with my internet connection for an potential upload in the near future)

Didn't someone around here upload an improved version recently?

Mielr said:
I don't see the extra vertical detail on the LDs (even on the X0 screenshots from way back when--IIRC they were pretty fuzzy compared with the Gout). I think the LDs lost a lot of picture detail when they went through the extra analog pressing step, that the DVDs were able to skip. To each his own, though. I'm not a proponent of the blu-rays, either. ;-)

If you don't see it don't worry about it. The GOUT has obviously much better clarity and horizontal detail. In the end it doesn't really matter as both look like crap. I was just trying to point out some of the differences between the formats you asked about. Remember that we tend to be quite anal retentive around these parts.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com