Warbler said:

darth_ender said: I am going by the words of Jesus, who said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved," and "Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Baptism: an essential ordinance, spoken by Jesus, who I think never contradicted Paul, but even if he did, I would trust him over Paul.

Jesus must have meant baptism figuartively and not literally. After all when was the thief that was on Jesus' right at the Crucifixion, that Jesus said would be with him that day in Paradise, baptized?

It's not specified, although could reasonably assume that he was not. But I want you and all to bear this in mind that "this day" (usually meaning 'today') Jesus planning on meeting that man in Paradise, yet after his resurrection stating that he had not yet "ascended to [his] Father, and your Father, and [his] God, and your God" (meaning that three days later he had not actually gone to heaven), kind of gives us an indication that perhaps the terms 'Paradise' and 'Heaven' are not the same, which is what LDS doctrine teaches.

Warbler, Catholics teach that baptism is essential. I can't believe you'd defend the Protestant view there ;)