Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features — Page 32

jolennon said:

titanic said:

The DVD changes were also in the VHS?

I have it but can't remember..

 Just in the 2004 (Special Edition/Platinum) VHS

AFIAK, Lion King never saw an untouched home video release... at least as far as the sex cloud goes.

On the other hand, if you mean the repainted scenes, there ARE releases that predate the S.E./IMAX/Platinum.

Maybe that's the confusion going on here.

Pretty sure the 1995 home video release predates any brushing of the SFX cloud.

So no DVD, but VHS and laserdisc.  Good to know.

@titanic - SOME Disney films, particularly the 'B' films (less popular) have more grain and look better on BD.  The guide needs some updating in that regards.

What movies are you thinking about?

titanic said:

Doctor M said:

@titanic - SOME Disney films, particularly the 'B' films (less popular) have more grain and look better on BD.  The guide needs some updating in that regards.

What movies are you thinking about?

 Well, the most popular ones.. (Pinocchio, Dumbo, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, SLeeping Beauty, Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, etc. etc.)

From what it seems the only ones I could buy on Bluray, that  haven't been over-restored and retain grain are:

-The Rescuers

-The Rescuers down under

-The Great Mouse Detective

isn't that right?

I could get The little mermaid, but I don't want to because it has an error with the titles and it makes me furious (the misplacement of the main title which is out of sync with a music effect)

Also, i could get Fox and the Hound, but I want the full screen of the DVD.

So, other than those I don't see anything else..

also, i guess I could buy all the Blurays from Pocahontas and on, right?

Since they were digital or something..

At least I have the HD version of the unrestored Sword in the Stone, and Saludos Amigos, which are great.

My thoughts on these movies as regard to Blu-ray.  This doesn't supersede the original list, so much as this favors HD and makes allowances for overcleaned transfers:

Pinocchio isn't great on BD, they really killed it.  I wouldn't go with that.

Dumbo doesn't seem to have ANY version that's correct outside of a laserdisc.  If that's not an option the BD is probably as wrong as any other digital transfer.

Cinderella, again, unless you are going the laserdisc route, you might as well get the BD.  It's as bad as the rest of the digital releases and is at least HD.

Peter Pan - I'm probably alone in liking the '02 Special Edition DVD, but I can't stand the BD's colors.

Lady and the Tramp - I didn't find the BD to be awful.  It won't have grain any more than the rest of the above, but I don't think they messed it up too badly.

Sleeping Beauty, there are many who would disagree, but while over-clean, this shows better accuracy IN SOME AREAS on BD.  If you must have it on BD, you could do worse.

Jungle Book - No.  Disney hasn't figure out how to properly restore Xerography based animation yet.  I wouldn't go BD on this one.

Beauty and the Beast - Much talk, few answers.  There is a laserdisc preservation to HD in the works... don't expect grain, but it'll at least be the original theatrical version of the film.

Lion King - If you want the un-screwed with animation, you need to go VHS/Laserdisc source.  Otherwise, the BD is a good option.

Etc. etc. - Yes and no.

The Rescuers - I haven't even decided myself.  I originally said yes, studying it I'm not in love with how hard it's been cleaned, but the original DVD is pretty poor too.  The BD probably has a slight edge.

The Rescuers Down Under - Yes, with no reservations.

The Great Mouse Detective - Yes, but WITH reservations.  Scrubbed, but improved over the previous release.  There are compelling reasons to get this on BD as well.

The Little Mermaid - Has Disney ever made good on the promise of a corrected disc?  I've heard nothing following this up.

Fox and the Hound - Scrubbed more than you'd think for that title, but the AR change is more on one side and less on another.  A bit of a wash there.

Pocahontas and on, I don't think there are any issues to worry about.

Sword in the Stone - I'd go for an HDTV version, or the DVD (which is nearly the same quality).

Saludos Amigos - Is this even on BD?  I'd probably still favor the Walt & El Grupo release unless they used that transfer for a recent BD.

titanic said:

@jolennon

I know about this, but they didn't correct the error I mentioned (the wrong placement of the titles)

@doctorM

You have The Great Mouse Detective twice..

about Saludos Amigos: it's in HD on itunes I think, with no problems..

(and uncut!)

about beauty and the Beast:

Are you talking about SPorv's release?

It's not in the works, it has been released for quite some time.

Although I have asked him and would be interested very much in the unfiltered preservation of the Laserdisc, which seems to be much better than the previous LD rip (I think molly's).

So Disney fixed less than half the issues with Little Mermaid.  Great.  I'll wait for the next release(?)

I thought I had deja vu while writing that Mouse Detective bit.

Does the iTunes Saludos Amigos have Goofy smoking?

I thought something felt familiar when I was writing about The Great Mouse Detective.

SPorv's BatB: I thought he had something to fix still with a re-release coming.  I kinda stopped following for the same thing you mentioned: I'd like to see a less filtered version.  I'll probably still grab it though.

about BatB [spoRv]

@Doctor M: it's ready! Just grab it, maybe you will like it! (^^,)

@titanic: sorry, but raw capture is about 40+GB... a bit too big to upload for my snail line!

@titanic- That's smoke alright.

@_,,,^..^,,,_ - Maybe that's a communication thing.  Is he asking for an SD lossless capture or just a version that is less cleaned?

titanic said:

Doctor M said:

@titanic- That's smoke alright.

@_,,,^..^,,,_ - Maybe that's a communication thing.  Is he asking for an SD lossless capture or just a version that is less cleaned?

 Are you talking about me?

When I said initially "raw capture", I didn't mean the 40Gbs file.

I meant a smaller file size of this LD capture (possibly 1080p), without the filters.

That's what I thought.  The confusion is 'raw' means uncompressed video which can be huge.  Although unfiltered means a new project for _,,,^..^,,,_.

I dunno how that would look since you have to contend with upscaling and analog noise, but that doesn't sound bad in theory.

To upscale the raw capture (480i) to HD (1080p) and get a good quality, I should encode it again, and then upload it somewhere... it will take many days, and I haven't time to do this due to various reasons - as you can see, I stopped to work to every project for the moment...

Apart that, I think the final version is the best compromise - read: not perfect, but the best I could get with an SD capture, and I'm pretty pleased about it, after I worked on it for many months, and thanks to the countless feedback I received to improve it

I must admit some details seems "painted" (e.g. like the tree on the right), but in motion this is not very noticeable, and... this is a cartoon, after all!
And if your aim is to preserve grain, sorry, but the one you can see in the unfiltered version is not grain, but just video noise inherent of the laserdisc format...

Indeed, it's less filtered than the retail BD, with original drawings, and correct (IMHO) color grading, and many others are happy of it.

If, one day, I will be "forced" to work again on BatB, to restore grain I'll probably add a grain plate, as results in other projects are very good... and I will be "forced" to do that ONLY if I'll get a Pioneer HLD-X0 to improve the capture, and frankly, even if I strongly hope for that, it will be a very remote possibility... unless someone would like to make me a gift! (^^,)