Bootlegs Thread - Audio Mix Discussion
For those that don't want to filter through that very lengthy thread, here are some of the posts:
Originally posted by: Patrick R.
The 3PO line isn't on the Faces set either. It is the one where he says, "The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."
I'm still working on my versions, but I've had to take time away from it and not sure when I will be finished. I have the Definitive Collection with the Leia footage in tact. A friend also sent me small capture files of 3PO's line and "Close the blastdoors!". I really don't like the blastdoors line as the guy's voice sounds different than the one who said, "Open the blastdoors". For capturing devices, I have a Canopus ADVC-100 and a Leadtek WinFast TV2000 XP Expert. I haven't had time to experiment with the WinFast yet. I also have a Pioneer CLD-D703 LD Player which I really like. It doesn't have AC-3, but can be modified. I just don't have a reason to since none of my LD's have AC-3. I only own the Star Wars DC LD's and an unopened copy of A Christmas Carol with George C. Scott that came with the plater.
Anyway, I will keep everyone posted on my progress. I was happy with my original attempt until I saw how good everyone else's was and how much mine had dot crawl in them since I used S-Video. I did buy a much better S-Video cable and will test it on both devices to see if the crawl still appears. If it does, I will use high quality Composite cables.
I originally split each film up onto two DVD's and used uncompressed PCM for the audio. I really want to make dual layer versions with uncompressed PCM if the dual layer technology ever allows me to put the layer break where I want so that it will be hardly noticeable. I also hope the -R DL format comes out someday.
I forgot to mention that I plan to at least capture a small audio segment from my SE VHS tapes before I sell them of the snowspeeder spinning out of control and exploding in ESB. I'm sorry to keep mentioning it, but that sound effect is missing from both the Faces and Definitive Collection LD's as well as the 1995 THX VHS.
Patrick
That's the sound mix I know by heart, as I have the 1992 VHS.
The 3PO line isn't on the Faces set either. It is the one where he says, "The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."
I'm still working on my versions, but I've had to take time away from it and not sure when I will be finished. I have the Definitive Collection with the Leia footage in tact. A friend also sent me small capture files of 3PO's line and "Close the blastdoors!". I really don't like the blastdoors line as the guy's voice sounds different than the one who said, "Open the blastdoors". For capturing devices, I have a Canopus ADVC-100 and a Leadtek WinFast TV2000 XP Expert. I haven't had time to experiment with the WinFast yet. I also have a Pioneer CLD-D703 LD Player which I really like. It doesn't have AC-3, but can be modified. I just don't have a reason to since none of my LD's have AC-3. I only own the Star Wars DC LD's and an unopened copy of A Christmas Carol with George C. Scott that came with the plater.
Anyway, I will keep everyone posted on my progress. I was happy with my original attempt until I saw how good everyone else's was and how much mine had dot crawl in them since I used S-Video. I did buy a much better S-Video cable and will test it on both devices to see if the crawl still appears. If it does, I will use high quality Composite cables.
I originally split each film up onto two DVD's and used uncompressed PCM for the audio. I really want to make dual layer versions with uncompressed PCM if the dual layer technology ever allows me to put the layer break where I want so that it will be hardly noticeable. I also hope the -R DL format comes out someday.
I forgot to mention that I plan to at least capture a small audio segment from my SE VHS tapes before I sell them of the snowspeeder spinning out of control and exploding in ESB. I'm sorry to keep mentioning it, but that sound effect is missing from both the Faces and Definitive Collection LD's as well as the 1995 THX VHS.
Patrick
Originally posted by: drcrawn
just found the Fox WS releases of SW and ESB for 10 dollars a piece at local used video store in Seattle on laserdisc. Asked the guy to hold them for me. My jaw dropped when he said 10 buck a piece...I didnt tell him they were worth at least twice that...
Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Actually, it sounds a little out of place. It was definitely recorded at a different time.
just found the Fox WS releases of SW and ESB for 10 dollars a piece at local used video store in Seattle on laserdisc. Asked the guy to hold them for me. My jaw dropped when he said 10 buck a piece...I didnt tell him they were worth at least twice that...
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Attaboy. Hey, if your ESB LD has the "snowspeeder wipe-out" sound byte, you may have to send it to me.
[EDIT] I meant, as a .wav file (though it would be nice to extract it digitally from the LD.)
[EDIT] You know, I totally forgot I had this LD as well...
I have the Definitive Collection LD's with the Leia Welding footage in tact. The early release was suseptible to rot, but I'm not sure about the version I have since it was a later pressing.
MeBeJedi,
I believe the missing C3PO line is included in one of those early LD's. If you look at this
link, he mentions this about the 1985 VHS release:
"WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: This release is a little-known milestone in the history of Star Wars. When Fox decided to digitally remaster the audio track for this re-release, sound designer Ben Burtt asked to be involved. What Burtt actually ended up doing was that he created an entirely new sound mix for the film. So in reality, the audio for this video release is the fourth official Star Wars audio mix (following the three original theatrical mixes - see the first entry at the top of this page). Among the clean up and digital repairs, some interesting new changes were added. These include sweetened sound effects, new stereo'd effects (Jawa voices after Artoo's capture) and, most noticeably, the addition of C-3PO's line in the Death Star ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave"). This new sound mix was used for every subsequent video release until the 1993 THX "Definitive Collection" remastering [ Very Special Thanks to David C. Fein for this important revelation ] ".
He also says this about the 1992 LD. "Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film."
So, I would bet that line was there.
I have seen a copy someone made of the movie with that line and the "Close the blastdoors!" line inserted into the Faces version of ANH. They are a little jarring. The person who made it did a good job. It's just that you can tell the lines were recorded at different times. Kind of reminds me of Vader's added line in ESB of, "Inform my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.". It is really James Earl Jones performing that line according to Ben Burtt. However, it doesn't sound right because that line was meant to be in ANH, but they never used it.
When you get a chance, check out the '92 LD and see how the line sounds compared to 3PO's other lines during that scene. If you had the entire '92 LD, I would probably use that for the audio and maybe the video as well.
I just looked at Ebay and found this:
Laserdisc. I wonder if this is the 1989 or the 1992 version.
Patrick
Attaboy. Hey, if your ESB LD has the "snowspeeder wipe-out" sound byte, you may have to send it to me.
[EDIT] I meant, as a .wav file (though it would be nice to extract it digitally from the LD.)
[EDIT] You know, I totally forgot I had this LD as well...
• RELEASE DATE: 1985
• STUDIO: CBS/FOX
• RELEASE FORMAT: Laserdisc
• COMMENTS: Three Standard-Play CAV discs (Cat# 1425-84)
• TECHNICAL COMMENTS: Pan & Scan transfer with with CX-encoded Stereo Surround sound
• OTHER COMMENTS: This edition is not time compressed and also marks the first time ever that fans can analyze the film frame-by-frame (thanks to the CAV format) - DavisDVD
Anyone know if this version has the sound byte? I guess I'll have to bring a TV in my office to play the LD, since my computer is busy.
Oh, I have this disc also...
Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Originally posted by: drcrawn
Does anyone here actually have the Definitive LDs with the missing 7 seconds of ESB? Those are tremendously collectible, very rare indeed. Also I heard mention of laser rot. The definitve ld are not know for having laser rot are they?
• STUDIO: CBS/FOX
• RELEASE FORMAT: Laserdisc
• COMMENTS: Three Standard-Play CAV discs (Cat# 1425-84)
• TECHNICAL COMMENTS: Pan & Scan transfer with with CX-encoded Stereo Surround sound
• OTHER COMMENTS: This edition is not time compressed and also marks the first time ever that fans can analyze the film frame-by-frame (thanks to the CAV format) - DavisDVD
Anyone know if this version has the sound byte? I guess I'll have to bring a TV in my office to play the LD, since my computer is busy.
Oh, I have this disc also...
• RELEASE DATE: 1986
• STUDIO: CBS/FOX
• RELEASE FORMAT: Laserdisc
• COMMENTS: Two Extended-Play CLV discs (Cat# 1478-80)
• TECHNICAL COMMENTS: Pan & Scan transfer with CX-encoded Digital Stereo Surround sound
• OTHER COMMENTS: The film is spread over three sides
(They are fool-screen, so I never really bother with them. Of course, that didn't stop me from buying them.
)
• STUDIO: CBS/FOX
• RELEASE FORMAT: Laserdisc
• COMMENTS: Two Extended-Play CLV discs (Cat# 1478-80)
• TECHNICAL COMMENTS: Pan & Scan transfer with CX-encoded Digital Stereo Surround sound
• OTHER COMMENTS: The film is spread over three sides
(They are fool-screen, so I never really bother with them. Of course, that didn't stop me from buying them.
) Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Originally posted by: drcrawn
Does anyone here actually have the Definitive LDs with the missing 7 seconds of ESB? Those are tremendously collectible, very rare indeed. Also I heard mention of laser rot. The definitve ld are not know for having laser rot are they?
I have the Definitive Collection LD's with the Leia Welding footage in tact. The early release was suseptible to rot, but I'm not sure about the version I have since it was a later pressing.
MeBeJedi,
I believe the missing C3PO line is included in one of those early LD's. If you look at this
link, he mentions this about the 1985 VHS release:
"WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: This release is a little-known milestone in the history of Star Wars. When Fox decided to digitally remaster the audio track for this re-release, sound designer Ben Burtt asked to be involved. What Burtt actually ended up doing was that he created an entirely new sound mix for the film. So in reality, the audio for this video release is the fourth official Star Wars audio mix (following the three original theatrical mixes - see the first entry at the top of this page). Among the clean up and digital repairs, some interesting new changes were added. These include sweetened sound effects, new stereo'd effects (Jawa voices after Artoo's capture) and, most noticeably, the addition of C-3PO's line in the Death Star ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave"). This new sound mix was used for every subsequent video release until the 1993 THX "Definitive Collection" remastering [ Very Special Thanks to David C. Fein for this important revelation ] ".
He also says this about the 1992 LD. "Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film."
So, I would bet that line was there.
I have seen a copy someone made of the movie with that line and the "Close the blastdoors!" line inserted into the Faces version of ANH. They are a little jarring. The person who made it did a good job. It's just that you can tell the lines were recorded at different times. Kind of reminds me of Vader's added line in ESB of, "Inform my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.". It is really James Earl Jones performing that line according to Ben Burtt. However, it doesn't sound right because that line was meant to be in ANH, but they never used it.
When you get a chance, check out the '92 LD and see how the line sounds compared to 3PO's other lines during that scene. If you had the entire '92 LD, I would probably use that for the audio and maybe the video as well.
I just looked at Ebay and found this:
Laserdisc. I wonder if this is the 1989 or the 1992 version.
Patrick
Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Actually, it sounds a little out of place. It was definitely recorded at a different time.
That's the sound mix I know by heart, as I have the 1992 VHS.
After skimming through this discussion from the old "bootlegs" thread I can see that there are some like me, who remember the 3PO "tractor beam" line and find that scene a little out of place without it and then there are others who found this line to be distracting as it sounded as if it were recorded at another time and just added in. Some said that the "close the blast doors, open the blast doors" snippet sounded odd because the voices were not the same.
Maybe I have been making a mountain out of a mole hill.... what does everybody else think? It seems some of us like the 3PO "tractor beam" line while others do not and MeBeJedi seemed kind of anxious to add the "snowspeeder wipe-out" into ESB.
Is this sound mix being discussed in the old "bootlegs" thread as wel as here all from the '85 sound mix or from other versions?
Anyone care to add to this discussion?