CatBus said:
Leonardo said:
So if I get this straight, the "new" cue was introduced at some stage during mastering of the 1995 French and Spanish TXH LD&VHS ?
CatBus said:
I'm still waiting to hear back on two things:
- some level of certainty (probably not a lot, but more than I have now) about which of our other 1977 foreign dubs were like this theatrically (I'm sold on Spanish, likely sold on French, and on the fence with Italian)
Theatrically? I will put money on this that none of them had the music. Not the spanish, not the french, german or italian. The odds and evidence are against it.
I would agree, except Laserschwert has access to a 35mm German film print with that extra music present. So it's there for German theatrically for sure, and it was scrubbed out for some German home video releases and the GOUT, which matches exactly what we've seen for the other languages so far.
I'm just trying to piece together an audio timeline that can explain all of this, and the most logical one says they've all got it, then they all got scrubbed for home video, then when they went back to do THX, they forgot to re-scrub it out. I think the evidence is weak, sure, but it's in favor of it being a theatrical element.
huh. I did not expect that. Very interesting.
Still, I think we need more theatrical evidence JEDIT for the other languages (i.e. very early tape masters maybe?).
As stated on the other thread my tape is from 1991 and most likely uses the 1985 IP, no Greedo subs, opening and closing credits are spliced in from another telecine (possibly an earlier release, who knows). It's what I'd call an "International master". The audio is pitched down, so it was tampered with. Still, the notion that there was music and they got rid of it in post sounds unlikely to me. Mostly because the track does not sound like a remix, while the THX track clearly is and a very bad one at that. There's bleeding of the english voices in the bass frequencies throughout the whole movie, and whoever did it mixed a music/effects track with an italian track that was already a mixdown, and not a voice only track, so there's all sorts of horrible delay artefacts on the score and sound effects throughout the whole movie.