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Horrible is a bit of an exaggeration.


On topic, the ability to dissapear is possibly explained in The Unifying Force. Basically, for a Jedi to retain his consiousness after death, he must "fall into" the Unifying Force, which is like a step above "the Living Force" Quigon does this after he dies, so his body doesn't dissapear.

I was surprised to see in Attack of the Clones (novel) that Yoda didn't know that Jedi could retain themselves after death. He didn't understand this until Qui-gon started screaming for Anakin to stop killing the Sand people. Even Yoda didn't know everything about the Force.

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WOW that is insane i mgiht read that book.
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I wonder it Lucas will ever release Special Editions of the prequels. I think that if you just look at MF's edits, simple corrections can make these films enjoyable. What does this have to do with Qui Gon's death? I would imagine that simply filming a scene with Liam Neeson or merely having a CGI Yoda meditating and observing Qui Gon's spirit would correct any lingering problem's with plot.
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
WOW that is insane i mgiht read that book.


I reccomend it. Iit made me realize how little I actually cared about Anakin and Padme from the movies. Salvatore did a good job with what he was given--I would assume it would be hard to write a book from a screneplay with such awful dialogue.

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I agree with Darth Chaltab. The book really fleshed out the characters and motivations much deeper than the movie. Kinda like how the original Radio Drama is sometimes thought to be "a better movie than the movie".
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cool i am currently reading the SW trilogy.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I was surprised to see in Attack of the Clones (novel) that Yoda didn't know that Jedi could retain themselves after death. He didn't understand this until Qui-gon started screaming for Anakin to stop killing the Sand people. Even Yoda didn't know everything about the Force.


If this gets to be confirmed on episode 3, there will be a lot of angry fans.
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How about this, it doesn't matter how they died. You do see Anakin's spirit at the end of Jedi. The only conclusion one could draw from this is that only those that have good in them, remain. Vader still had some good in him, and thus his spirit remained behind. So now you say, well Qui-Gon was good and I didn't see his spirit. Well the only thing I can think of is when Obi-Wan is asking him not to go against the council again. One might could conclude that Qui-Gon isn't such a great guy, and maybe even a troublemaker. Maybe the virgence in the force wasn't anakin but rather Qui-Gon, and maybe he's the reason Anakin turned into Darth. But now it's just all supposition.

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I agree, the Radio Dramas are infinitely better than the films...but such is the power of audio.

Yeah, the books helped flesh out the story. I also started to really dislike Episode 2 when it first came out, but then I read the book and other sources, and I've noticed the richness of the story...and also notice just how poorly Lucas managed to direct the movie and bring out that story.
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"Well, my explanation is that Jedis do NOT vanish when they die. Yoda was suffering from a desease that eat your cells up so fast, you vanish."

Yes, or maybe his vast quantity of midichlorians, accounting for 98% of his body mass, all fucked off for a pint when he took the big dirt nap.
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Those are all cool theories. At this point, I just roll with it. I'm not trying to meld the two trilogies. You can look at it impressionistically; brush strokes that come together to create an experience even though they don't all blend into each other. Sometimes you just have to.
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No, but I think it should have something to do with Jedi always cremating their fallen comrades to prevent some darkside force using their bodies which would be still force sensitive even after death. So in the Jedi's final days they could use this force technique of disappearing or disolving as a safe guard. Just because it hasn't been mentioned in the prequels doesn't mean that the Jedi aren't aware of it.
Load of bollocks but no more weird than any other theory.
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No, I like it Eros. Not one of the most imaginative resolutions, but it ties together all the loose ends (from I to VI) with a very simple thought. not too much of a reach.
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Well Lucas says the movie Novels are canon, so I think it is allready part of the continuity....

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well Lucas says the movie Novels are canon, so I think it is allready part of the continuity....


*sigh* Except for that part in ROTJ where Ben tells Luke that Owen was his brother. Lucas has since abandoned that bit of cannon for the "Step-brother" relationship (which I actually think works better anyway).
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Meh.. The Novels are only canon where they don't directily contradict the movie version.

Remeber in the ANH novel the Stormtrooper Luke traded armor with wasn't TK-421, but THX-1138

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Remeber in the ANH novel the Stormtrooper Luke traded armor with wasn't TK-421, but THX-1138


What was Lucas' reason for changing that? It was in the script originally. Just too obvious an homage to himself?
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Wait a second...Owen and Obi-Wan are step-brothers? Then that means...Padme, that whore!
Which is the more foolish, the fool (the OT) or the fool who follows (the PT)?

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I think there has been a misunderstanding here. Did the novel say that Obi-wan and Owen were brothers???????????????// See looki at me. I'm confused now!
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Originally posted by: Darth Mirax
I think there has been a misunderstanding here. Did the novel say that Obi-wan and Owen were brothers???????????????// See looki at me. I'm confused now!


Yes. I'll quote the book directly from Chapter 3, page 66.
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"Your insight serves you well," Ben nodded. He quickly became stern though. "Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor." [here is where the film cuts to the rebel fleet, but the novel continues.]

Luke tried to comprehend what his old teacher was saying. So much information, so fast, so vital ... it almost made him swoon.

Ben continued his narrative. "When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine ... and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan."

The book continues with about another page of dialogue about Leia growing up as an Organa, and how she became the leader of her cell of the Alliance.
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Originally posted by: Count Dushku
Wait a second...Owen and Obi-Wan are step-brothers? Then that means...Padme, that whore!


What? Who? How?

I fail to see how that makes Padme a whore when she was involved with Anakin and not Obi-Wan OR Owen. In either situation (book or movie) Padme isnt related to anyone but Luke and Leia.

And further more, the relation is Book: Obi-Wan and Owen are brothers
Movie: Anakin and Owen are Step-brothers

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon


And further more, the relation is Book: Obi-Wan and Owen are brothers
Movie: Anakin and Owen are Step-brothers


Correct, and succinct. Lucas said he changed his mind on the relationship while writing Episode II, thus rendering the novelization of ROTJ not-canon anymore ... at least, not for that page-and-a-half. The books were always supposed to be canon, until Lucas couldn't even stick with that. I think the Episode II relationship works better, but it does throw the canonical nature of the books out the window.
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