==UPDATED 5-8-2014== (no longer using Laserdisc)
==UPDATED 6-21-2015==
I’m preserving the 1997 SE via TB MPEG-2 rips in SD NTSC.
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**RESOLUTION: **720x480p Anamorphic 23.976p.
They are going to be uploaded on DVD9 on the Spleen.
STAR WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE - TBD
STAR WARS EPISODE V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - TBD
STAR WARS EPISODE VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI - TBD
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althor did a raw capture of these for folks to use. Unfortunately for some, you need newsgroup access to get them. althor did a raw capture of TPM as well.
The idea is good if one can get a good quality picture out of them. Analog is worth saving even if it is for personal use.
Please keep us posted.
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If I can get a hold of good condition discs, I can make a good rip out of it. On my last capture of ROTJ (non-SE), it was plagued with crosstalk, so I'm going to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Here was my idea for the process of preserving the discs: Capture in DV -> Remove Pulldown and convert to 23.976p -> Convert to Anamorphic 16:9 DV file -> Render to MPEG-2 & AVC.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
I admire your want to use the DTS audio but be warned that you will have to tweak it to fit. The NTSC set is missing frames compared to a standard cinema print so the audio won't fit 'out of the box'. The 5.1 AC3 track from that set, however, will match up perfectly and it has a true discreet LFE.
I think you should avoid the DV codec if possible. Its lossy so you are compressing your video three times in that workflow. If you can only capture in DV, then perhaps using a lossless codec for the intermediate file or just encoding directly to MPEG2/AVC whilst removing the pulldown would be better.
I'm currently working on producing a similar project using the PAL discs, which are missing only couple of frames here and there, specifically to show case the DTS audio. I've found that I'm probably going to have to find a better copy of Empire. Its littered with odd noise on the copy I have. Speaking from experience, my copy of the NTSC set plays with crosstalk in one player and it is absent in my other player, so it would seem its not always caused by the discs.
CapableMetal said:
I admire your want to use the DTS audio but be warned that you will have to tweak it to fit. The NTSC set is missing frames compared to a standard cinema print so the audio won't fit 'out of the box'. The 5.1 AC3 track from that set, however, will match up perfectly and it has a true discreet LFE.
I think you should avoid the DV codec if possible. Its lossy so you are compressing your video three times in that workflow. If you can only capture in DV, then perhaps using a lossless codec for the intermediate file or just encoding directly to MPEG2/AVC whilst removing the pulldown would be better.
I'm currently working on producing a similar project using the PAL discs, which are missing only couple of frames here and there, specifically to show case the DTS audio. I've found that I'm probably going to have to find a better copy of Empire. Its littered with odd noise on the copy I have. Speaking from experience, my copy of the NTSC set plays with crosstalk in one player and it is absent in my other player, so it would seem its not always caused by the discs.
I wonder if captures of the 2 Japan SE sets would yield a full copy with no frames missing. Any idea if they are the same as the US set in this regard?
Jetrell Fo said:
I wonder if captures of the 2 Japan SE sets would yield a full copy with no frames missing. Any idea if they are the same as the US set in this regard?
I honestly don't know, but at a guess I would think they're probably the same. The only way to know for certain is to capture both sets, IVTC, and align them at the first frame of the 'Star Wars' title card and start skimming through. If they lose sync then you can skim back slightly to identify the missing frames between the two.
The PAL set has the extra resolution you'd expect plus it doesn't require IVTC, just a slowdown to 23.976fps. It does have its own issues, though, including custom wipes at side changes and only a Dolby Surround encoded stereo track. I'll have to produce a reference of missing frames from SE video sources from all of my old notes one of these days and post it in the old 'standards' thread.
I don't mind the syncing process, especially since the DTS audio sounds steller on a home theater.
I've tried using Althor's RAWs, but ESB's rars are plagued with errors, so hopefully ROTJ and ANH will come out just fine.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
JawsTDS said:
If I can get a hold of good condition discs, I can make a good rip out of it. On my last capture of ROTJ (non-SE), it was plagued with crosstalk, so I'm going to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Here was my idea for the process of preserving the discs: Capture in DV -> Remove Pulldown and convert to 23.976p -> Convert to Anamorphic 16:9 DV file -> Render to MPEG-2 & AVC.
You don't want to capture in DV, the colour compression is horrible.
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“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
JawsTDS said:
I've tried using Althor's RAWs, but ESB's rars are plagued with errors, so hopefully ROTJ and ANH will come out just fine.
Did you try using QuickPar to repair the damaged files?
Jetrell Fo said:
JawsTDS said:
I've tried using Althor's RAWs, but ESB's rars are plagued with errors, so hopefully ROTJ and ANH will come out just fine.
Did you try using QuickPar to repair the damaged files?
Yeah, no luck with ESB, still getting CRC errors.
As for capturing, I managed to get my USB Capture Device to work with VDub, and I've been capturing YUV2 with 16bit PCM audio. Since I can't really get Althor's rips, I'll just do my own now.
I've also upgraded to the Diamond ATI card now, since I've heard it has a good comb filter. I'm hoping it produces decent results.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
Did some capturing today with the Diamond ATI card and I seem to be having a very big problem.
The audio pitch keeps changing throughout the capture, thus, messing up the length of the film and the IVTC. Here's a link - http://www.mediafire.com/watch/x1qe4uorhcyyeyw/SW_LD_ERRORS.mp4
Listen VERY closely to clips within the video. Could this be a player error? I don't know much about the CLD-980, but does it have a belt that could be going out?
==edit==
Turned off resync in VDub and it no longer does that. But, I still have sync issues in the capture. I'm capturing YUY2 AVI. Any suggestions to stop this from happening? It doesn't seem to be dropping frames either, it just says that it "inserted frames".
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
I would try to get schorman's laserdisc audio archive and simply use his audio files to sync to your project or capture video and audio separately. Capturing without audio simplifies the whole process of capturing and reduces a bit of overhead that might be causing your system to drop/insert frames. If you get 1 single dropped frame or 1 single inserted frame then might as well start over. I tried to disable all of that resync stuff,etc. in Vdub. The timing options should all be turned off basically. I never have to this day gotten a dropped frame or inserted frame using my ati theater750 btw. I think if you tweak Vdub a bit you won't either.
Luke threw twice…maybe.
Above (click on it) is the first screenshot from my capture. There will be more come soon once I finish all three films and supplements.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
What happened with this project? I'm really interested.
JawsTDS said:
Turned off resync in VDub and it no longer does that. But, I still have sync issues in the capture. I'm capturing YUY2 AVI. Any suggestions to stop this from happening? It doesn't seem to be dropping frames either, it just says that it "inserted frames".
Capture in uncompressed YUV (YUY2) is quite stressful for the CPU, in particular old ones; my advice is to use a lossless codec, like Lagarith or MagicYUV (a new codec) - don't forget to set YUY2 instead YV12 - probably, frame dropping will end due to lower CPU usage.
Of course, the best situation is to capture always with any other software closed - just VirtualDub should be opened, and with the right sync settings.
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Leoj said:
What happened with this project? I'm really interested.
My set had too many disc issues due to the previous owner not taking any care. I'm looking into getting a new set very soon.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
JawsTDS said:
Leoj said:
What happened with this project? I'm really interested.
My set had too many disc issues due to the previous owner not taking any care. I'm looking into getting a new set very soon.
Ok. I hope you get a new set soon.
Only thing I've done was to take each side of a Japan set and put it to a DVD5. Each movie has 3 discs. I also did the same with TPM. I don't know if these would be of any assistance in this.
Jetrell Fo said:
Only thing I've done was to take each side of a Japan set and put it to a DVD5. Each movie has 3 discs. I also did the same with TPM. I don't know if these would be of any assistance in this.
As much as I appreciate the consideration, I'd want to stay away from MPEG-2 before I had the chance to IVTC the rips and such.
I heard althor is going to upload a BD of his '97 SE rips. Maybe that might just have to be the final solution?
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
I've updated the first post as I'm now going to use another source for a simple SD preservation of the 1997 SE in NTSC.
I'm currently working with the TB rips off the spleen, and ANH & ESB look great. I've only converted the films to NTSC/23.97p thus far, and haven't done any color correction or audio syncing.
I did add a grain plate on top of the video to cover up artifacts, but the smearing is still noticeable.
One issue I have is that the ROTJ looks the worst out of the lot. Color artifacts, dot crawl, and looks like it was deinterlaced. Does anyone have a better version of a rip of ROTJ (other than LD)?
Another thing, ESB has some noticeable EE compared to ANH.
Here's some comparisons: http://imgur.com/a/w9hg3
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
I'm on the fence with the TB due to their DVD5 quality. It really is a shame too. Maybe, if you had the 5 Star Collection of the SE it would help. At least maybe a combination of the two could end up sourcing a better overall picture making it easier to work with.
Jetrell Fo said:
I'm on the fence with the TB due to their DVD5 quality. It really is a shame too. Maybe, if you had the 5 Star Collection of the SE it would help. At least maybe a combination of the two could end up sourcing a better overall picture making it easier to work with.
Everytime they're on eBay, they get pricey. Weren't their torrents of the DVDs on the spleen?
For the LD, althor has that covered, as he has much better equipment and resources. The TB set isn't great, but when downscaled and with a grain plate, could look okay, minus the VHS quality ROTJ.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
JawsTDS said:
Jetrell Fo said:
I'm on the fence with the TB due to their DVD5 quality. It really is a shame too. Maybe, if you had the 5 Star Collection of the SE it would help. At least maybe a combination of the two could end up sourcing a better overall picture making it easier to work with.
Everytime they're on eBay, they get pricey. Weren't their torrents of the DVDs on the spleen?
For the LD, althor has that covered, as he has much better equipment and resources. The TB set isn't great, but when downscaled and with a grain plate, could look okay, minus the VHS quality ROTJ.
I own the DVD set. Would it be of some use?