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doubleofive said:

peter_pan said:


What if we start a new petition stating we will boycott VII unless the original trilogy is released?

I sincerely doubt that losing a couple million dollars will matter when this movie will probably make a billion worldwide.

 It would also make us look like a bunch of spiteful fanboys.

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moviefreakedmind said:

At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

Strange considering how 04/11 looking the lightsabers are. 

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darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

Strange considering how 04/11 looking the lightsabers are. 

 I know, that's what worries me...

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moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

Strange considering how 04/11 looking the lightsabers are. 

 I know, that's what worries me...

Yep. It would be a shame if we purchased an "original unaltered" blu-ray of the trilogy and all the lightsabers were recomped. I really, really hope this doesn't happen.

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moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

At the very least, the black escape pod door is back to blue; there was a picture of it in RMW's video.

Strange considering how 04/11 looking the lightsabers are. 

 I know, that's what worries me...

What I actually meant is that it's strange that one SE correction (the lightsabers) is present while another (the escape pod color) isn't. I don't see any reason to go back to the blue escape pod. The only explanations that I can think of are:

1. There was a 4k scan and the lightsabers corrections were applied to it but no other changes were.

2. Somebody has a hard-on for the 04 versions.

3. The 4k scans were completed and SEized prior to the creation of the 2011 versions.

Interestingly, the lightsabers are much duller-colored than in the 04 and 11 versions.

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The really bad color issues were introduced at the end of the line, the big fumble right before the goal, when they sat down with George to decide the final color. maybe the samples in the video were from earlier  in the pipeline. After the scan (from the negative that had no saber blades at all) and after the new blades were added on, but before everything else.

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Baronlando said:

The really bad color issues were introduced at the end of the line, the big fumble right before the goal, when they sat down with George to decide the final color. maybe the samples in the video were from earlier  in the pipeline. After the scan (from the negative that had no saber blades at all) and after the new blades were added on, but before everything else.

 Please say it isn't so!

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I'm pretty sure the desert escape pod shots are from the 2004 job. The voice-over guy even says "here's what we delivered for dvd." The only weird part is that he refers to the film element as an IP whereas I thought they were working with o-neg scans. Maybe he was simply using the term "IP" in place of "scan."

The lightsaber shots are from a different demo-reel, one that contains nothing from before 2009. Also, the framing doesn't match the blu-ray. I think the Star Wars and Empire footage in this particular reel is from the new(er) 4k job.

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peter_pan said:

What if we start a new petition stating we will boycott VII unless the original trilogy is released?

I seem to remember some sort of boycott didn't work too well for the most recent Blu Ray release...

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Baronlando said:

The really bad color issues were introduced at the end of the line, the big fumble right before the goal, when they sat down with George to decide the final color. maybe the samples in the video were from earlier  in the pipeline. After the scan (from the negative that had no saber blades at all) and after the new blades were added on, but before everything else.

Which still boggles my mind b/c when doing the SE back in '97 George claimed to have a Technicolor print at his house color timed the way he liked it.

Wait--"George claimed"…and I'm done.

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thedaner said:

Which still boggles my mind b/c when doing the SE back in '97 George claimed to have a Technicolor print at his house color timed the way he liked it.

Word is that that print was obtained from a private collector living in the US and it was actually returned to him when they were done.

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AntcuFaalb said:

thedaner said:

Which still boggles my mind b/c when doing the SE back in '97 George claimed to have a Technicolor print at his house color timed the way he liked it.

Word is that that print was obtained from a private collector living in the US and it was actually returned to him when they were done.

 Then that must've happened before they decided to muck about with the film. No way would that have happened in '04.

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Handman said:

AntcuFaalb said:

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Which still boggles my mind b/c when doing the SE back in '97 George claimed to have a Technicolor print at his house color timed the way he liked it.

Word is that that print was obtained from a private collector living in the US and it was actually returned to him when they were done.

 Then that must've happened before they decided to muck about with the film. No way would that have happened in '04.

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I highly doubt the lightsaber footage in the RMW reel is in any way connected to the 2004 job. Even if we take the botched color-timing at that release's finishing line into account, there are still differences in contrast and framing to consider. There are also differences in the flashes that the color-timing wouldn't account for. Also, the footage simply has the "look" of a modern 4k scan.

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Yes I definitely think that the 4k scans are happening, but there's a couple of things to worry about. 

1. Is the 4k treatment only being applied to the SE? I know the video has the blue escape pod door, but I honestly could see them just forgetting to turn it black again. If that's the case would they still include the OUT but in lesser quality?

2. Is this a scan of the OUT, but they for some reason thought that redoing the lightsabers was OK? I for one don't think the sabers in the video look exactly like 04, but they definitely dont look like the originals.

There's also the possibility that they are giving the 4k treatment to both the OUT and the SEs.

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I still want to say that the escape pod shots are from the '04 job. I remember that shot of r2 and 3po as one of the big "before and after" examples from back then. Of course, that doesn't mean they're not simply using the exact same scene to show off their work on the newer restoration, but the voice-over guy does say "here's what we delivered for dvd."

Also, it's from a different demo-reel, one that contains a lot of older restoration jobs. The reel with the saber and trench run and luke/vader fight from Empire (and that shot of 3po from ANH tip-toeing up to the camera) doesn't have anything from before 2009. That, combined with the fact that the footage doesn't match up to the blu-ray (aside from the sabers not being the originals), is what makes me think it's the 4k scan. I think they've simply redone the sabers yet again for this new scan since it was probably done primarily to make a "finished" SE and a starting point for a 3D conversion.

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A quick question, if they did a 4K restoration of the UOT, but ONLY actually corrected the lightsabers (& mattes), would anyone really be upset?

And by correct, I mean Luke saber is now the same shade of blue throughout SW & ESB, and Darth Vader's is actually the same red throughout SW & ESB & ROTJ.

Instead of Luke saber fluctuating from white to greenish to blue in SW. And Vader's as red and pink.

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I wouldn't be upset at all. That's easy to fix in a fan edit. I'm open to any release of the OUT at this point, even if it just gives us new sources for a fan edit.

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If they only made the colors of the sabers consistent, while keeping the original look of the compositing, I wouldn't be too upset - but then, they were far more consistent in the original, then they are in either the DVD or BD versions.

And I would outright refuse to buy that crap, if they erased the matte-lines.

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supersonic395 said:

A quick question, if they did a 4K restoration of the UOT, but ONLY actually corrected the lightsabers (& mattes), would anyone really be upset?

I wouldn't care personally, but I still think that it would be wrong. The matte lines are part of the OOT and therefore should be included in anything marketed as the OOT.

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Harmy said:

If they only made the colors of the sabers consistent, while keeping the original look of the compositing, I wouldn't be too upset - but then, they were far more consistent in the original, then they are in either the DVD or BD versions.

And I would outright refuse to buy that crap, if the erased they matte-lines.

Did you buy Raiders of the Lost Ark on DVD? They removed some kind of connecting rod guiding the giant rock at the beginning from behind Harrison Ford on the DVD. I for one am not bothered by erasing matte-lines. I know that they're a part of the films and a product of the time they were made, but for me I personally draw the line at changing the effects all-together. If it's the same shot, just without matte-lines, I'm not going to boycott or anything, but remember that doesn't mean I want them to remove the matte-lines, I'm just not going to be angry if they do. Then again, I'd be pretty annoyed if they changed R2 to blue when he's in space so I guess it's a really slippery slope. I'm just willing to except any decent looking OUT release at this point. Honestly though, I'd be surprised if they risk doing any changes to a hypothetical OUT release, especially if the SE's are still available. 

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I did not buy the Raiders DVD - it was crap. I did buy the BD though, where everything was back to the way it was originally, including the color timing. The only change on the BD is the cobra reflection having been erased and it does bother me a lot - I'd love for it to be there.

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The light sabers on the Reliance video aren't the original shots but they don't look like computer recreations either. Are they the original animation composited digitally? 

On a side note, over at Home Theater Forum, in the thread on restoring The Alamo, Robert Harris has some hard numbers on what a basic scan and color correction of 35mm elements actually cost and they're so low, it's embarrassing to think there are still people claiming Lucasfilm /Disney can't possibly achieve a decent blu-ray of the originals. (And while you're there, you can also read comically overwrought handwringing about Disney making the attempt in the Star Wars thread. I really can't get enough of blogger types carrying water for billion dollar companies.)

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Regarding the matte lines, I think there are some battles that really aren't worth fighting, and assuming that they're actually mounting a restoration project on the OUT, it's probably fairly likely that they are going to do something about the matte lines. There comes a point when expectations become pretty unrealistic, and I personally won't let missing matte lines (as long as the compositing is unchanged) ruin the OUT for me. I absolutely believe that the film should be preserved in it's original form as well as preserved digitally in it's original form (matte lines and all), but minor digital enhancements to the home video releases such as removing matte lines are just something that we probably are going to have to put up with. I'm not saying that it's bad or too much to ask to want the movie with matte lines, but I just don't think we should get our hopes up too high because that generally leads to disappointment. Who knows though, I'd love to be proven wrong and see the Rancor with all his matte lines, but I just don't want to have any real expectations given how much we've been disappointed over the past couple decades. 

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Like I said, if they erase the matte lines, it's a botched release in my book and isn't anywhere near being the actual original any more (there are two ways to get rid of matte-lines, either they paint them out, which usually ends up looking awful, or they re-composite the elements, which may end up looking "better" than the original but equally destroys the integrity of the shot).