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ray_afraid said:

The Fiery Editor said:

(I don't like Star Wars Revisited, or Empire Revisited, even though I haven't seen that one yet.)

 Did you really need to start a new thread for this denouncement? Couldn't you have said this in the general Star Wars discussion thread?
Was this necessary?

imperialscum said:

TV's Frink said:

At least adywan can spell words good. Also, what 005 said.

Since we are at it... technically "good" is not an adverb.

Never mind. This made it worth it!
Frink, you're settin' 'em up without even trying!

 Sarcasm is a difficult concept for some people.

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brash_stryker said:

This thread is so full of lol.

 Thanks for reminding me to add it to my list.

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The Fiery Editor said:

I know, I hate the SE and I know that George Lucas' are the only ones you can find. I am a major supporter of Harmy restoring the original cuts of Star Wars. I'm just saying that if you guys hate the SE (Which I do too) why do you like Adywan.

To Jonno

Yes I can finally do smooth edits, It just takes practice ;)

To TV Frink

I don't think my grammar was too bad.

 Alot and Proffesional would like a word with you.

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I personally don't like ANH:R much either, because for my taste it takes too many liberties and I outright dislike some of the specific changes but I don't see it as a problem - the man made that edit to adhere to his personal taste and it's entirely up to you, whether you want to watch Star Wars this way or not. I love having alternate versions of movies and I don't see any problem with modernizing an old film, as long as you have a choice between watching the modernized version or the original.

I am actually very much looking forward to ESB Revisited, because it seems that this time, Ady is really sticking to the original cut and only updating the effects and the look of the film and it will be a great alternate version of that classic movie - and the word alternate is key here - it won't become the only version of the movie for me, only an interesting alternative and that's awesome. I believe, that if the Special Editions were always just an alternative version, with the original getting the same treatment, I would actually enjoy it as an interesting alternative too - I would still consider it an inferior version but at the same time a cool alternative - you never hear anyone complain about James Cameron making extended versions of Aliens or T2, because the originals are available in the same quality.

As another example, I prefer the original version of Blade Runner (I like the original effects, I like the noir narration, I even like the happy ending) but I would never dream of complaining about Ridley Scott having made the Final Cut, because why would I?

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This isn't really general Star Wars discussion. It's a personal appraisal of a fan edit so ideally this whole thread should be merged with the ANH:R one.

There have been similar opinions raised there.

My opinion is in line with most here. There is only one editor making changes to these films which you can't really ignore and that's George.

You have to really go out of your way to watch Ady's edit or Harmy's reconstruction of the film as close as possible to how it was originally presented.

The discs on sale are still the Special Edition of the hour.

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The Original Trilogy was my absolute favourite series of movies in my younger days, and it was disheartening to see how GL's 'creative choices' became increasingly erratic towards his creation. 

I can't tell you how much I looked forward to his 'Special Editions' when they were first announced, as I was more than happy to see them given a little spruce up for their worldwide theatrical re-release in '97 - especially since GL had so successfully pushed things on the effects side over the years.  But while some of the new effects touch-ups were welcome, the likes of ANH's silly-looking Jabba and ROTJ's 'Jedi Rocks' were certainly NOT! 

Still, there was always the *original* OT to look forward to on dvd before too long, I thought...or so I believed at the time.

But by the time we ended up with the 'Special Edition' dvds in 2004 (which made things even worse in many ways - due to abysmal colouration, a very unevenly-finished feel to the enhancements, and elderly Anakin replaced by young Anakin...), it was becoming clear that George was looking on these as his preferred, 'de facto' versions of the movies...and seemed to think they were superior to the earlier, *original* releases.  But he was wrong about that in many ways!  

So by the time his disappointing Prequel Trilogy was completed in 2005, the overall saga seemed 'diminished' to me by that point.

But then to round things off, George finally released the slap-in-the-face that was the non-anamorphic 'bonus' dvd discs in the 2006 release...  Far less-deserving movies than the *original* OT were being given lovingly-treated presentations on the format at this point, and it all seemed too little and too late.

However, despite all of George's misjudgements, the particular 'Special Edition' that adywan conjured up with STAR WARS:REVISITED managed to rekindle the old magic for me...and it was far more than I could have hoped for at the time.  And as there are further dubious alterations to the 'Special Editions' of the OT on the Blu-ray release, SW:R seems even better still to me.  And the forthcoming STAR WARS:REVISITED HD edit will no doubt improve on the current version too.  I already know that ESB:R is shaping up to be a revelation as a 'special edition', and am confident that ROTJ:R will too, eventually.

Sure, I hope the rumours of a decently-remastered release of the *original* Original Trilogy come true eventually, for the sake of myself and everyone else who looked forward to that happening years ago.  But many will have only experienced the uneven 'Special Edition' versions as their introduction to the 'Star Wars' saga now  - regrettably to my mind - and more will continue to do so on future format releases and t.v. showings too...probably starting with the Prequels...  So all of George's additional 'creative choices' will endure regardless, no matter if the *original* OT gets a decent release or not at this stage.  Too bad.  

While I certainly understand that not everyone may like all of adywan's personal changes in his version, I'd have far rathered that George had come up with a 'Special Edition' of ANH more along the lines of the STAR WARS:REVISITED edit...which gave the movie such an impressive extra spit and polish.  The movie deserved a better 'enhancement' than it ultimately got from George, as far as I'm concerned...and it was adywan who delivered the 'special' bit for me.

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I respect everyones opinions and yes ANH: R is much better than the SE, personally I don't like it but for those of you who do like it go ahead and enjoy it. :)

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The first fan edit I watched was ANH:R and it brought me too this world of fan editing. If anything It really woke me up on how films can be altered and improved for the better in ways I never thought about before.

In Hindsight there are a few "iffy" moments but overall it's still just a great alternative and a pleasure to watch.

I don't have an issue with revisionism because I believe that things can be improved upon continually.

Change for the better or for the worst is a personal opinion, but that is what fan editing is about. A person or teams interpretation of how something should be altered for the better to attempt to improve upon the actual film.

You may agree with one change and not like another because you are aware of the original material, but if you do your best to forget about what you have seen previously and treat the film on it's own merits that is what watching a fan edit is about. Watching an alternative version.

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Even if I dont care for many of the changes Adywan made, the sheer accomplishment technically (and he looks to be outdoing  himself in ESB:R) blew the doors off what it seemed could be accomplished by 'amateurs.'

And I dont NEED to love everything I see in a movie, especially a fan-edit. But I sure get a kick out of watching SW:R. 

But it's kinda a dick move to say "the changes he made were stupid and disrespectful" but that the arbitrary changes you'd have preferred him to make are brilliant and sacred.  

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+1

At the very least, the Revisited versions embarrass the hell out of the SE 'enhancements'.

Having the Yavin gas giant in the background during the space battle was great.

OTOH, In the SE, you get Obi-Wans Krayt scream that now sounds like someone pretending he is Tom when his tail is set on fire by Jerry.

click here if lack of OOT got you down

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TV's Frink said:

The Fiery Editor said:

I know, I hate the SE and I know that George Lucas' are the only ones you can find. I am a major supporter of Harmy restoring the original cuts of Star Wars. I'm just saying that if you guys hate the SE (Which I do too) why do you like Adywan.

To Jonno

Yes I can finally do smooth edits, It just takes practice ;)

To TV Frink

I don't think my grammar was too bad.

 Alot and Proffesional would like a word with you.

Lol, I didn't even notice that the thread title would also like a word with you.  Several, in fact.

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walking_carpet said:

OTOH, In the SE, you get Obi-Wans Krayt scream that now sounds like someone pretending he is Tom when his tail is set on fire by Jerry.

 You know, you might be on to something...

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at the end of the day the Revisited series is ADYWAN's vision of how the special editions of the original trilogy could have been. I think that apart from the trememndous skill and creativity and the fact that most of what he has put into the production he has learned and developed along the way, he has always been to open to suggestions and ideas from the forum  since day one.

Its this collaboration with the members of the forum and the fact that we've been able to see these projects evolve over a long space of time that have lead to the support that these edits have, but it never dilutes from our love of the original cuts of the films.

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Just a reminder for everyone, this thread isn't for defending Revisited, it's for making fun of the guy for creating the thread in the first place.

See previous post for how to do it right.

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But he's hardly more than a youngling!

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Yeah, cut him some slack - he got introduced to Star Wars when he was 5 on DVD.

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RicOlie_2 said:

But he's hardly more than a youngling!

 Same goes for you, but you know better.

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Harmy said:

Yeah, cut him some slack - he got introduced to Star Wars when he was 5 on DVD.

I was introduced to Star Wars when I was eight...on the 2006 DVD, if I'm not mistaken.

I take back (in part) my first statement. He's about my age, so I can make fun of him. The rest of you--hold off.

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He's only a few years younger than me. That makes us relatively the same age, considering how old some of the people on this forum are. So I can make fun of him too, right? 

I could say this:

Hey, Fiery Editor, no one cares that you dislike "Adywans Star Wars revisited." Your opinion is dumb. Enjoy the edit for what it is: a fan's labor of love to create his own alternate version. Contrast to Lucas, whose intention was to make a replacement version. And where's your fan edit mister "editor"? I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

...but everyone else has pretty much said all that already. Oh what? I did just say that? Well okay.

What am I doing here again?

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Okay I am sorry for causing so much upset and I have said that I know a lot of effort was put into SW: R. I wanted to express my opinion and that's all and I made this thread because I didn't know where else to put it. I respect others opinions and I completely understand that George Lucas and Adywans reasons and ideals are completely different as SW: R is choice and SW: SE is not. All I am saying is that the actual editing is the same concept, modernize the film and give the film a new look. Which I personally don't like but I can see the appeal.

To TV Frink, Lay off. I don't get why you just come onto my threads to annoy me and say disrespectful things but either way it is disrespectful and insulting. I would appreciate you not to post on my threads and if you do, be civil.

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The Fiery Editor said:

To TV Frink, Lay off. I don't get why you just come onto my threads to annoy me and say disrespectful things but either way it is disrespectful and insulting. I would appreciate you not to post on my threads and if you do, be civil.

 Well, you could start by getting my name right...

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The Fiery Editor said:

To TV's Frink, Lay off. I don't get why you just come onto my threads to annoy me and say disrespectful things but either way it is disrespectful and insulting. I would appreciate you not to post on my threads and if you do, be civil.

TV's Frink is a kind of clown of this forum. I estimate that more than half of his posts are off-topic, most of those disrespectful and even offensive. I think even mods just accepted his status as a forum clown since they haven't done anything about his behaviour.

So don't get too upset about him.

真実

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I would be careful about making personal insults about contributors to this thread.

It's not off topic folks.

But it's not General Star Wars Discussion either.

It's a thread revolving around a critique of a specific Fan Edit so really these sorts of discussions belong in the thread pertaining to that specific fan edit.